Cardiogen, Vesugen, Cartalax etc. Peptides

[M@NU]

Hey guys,
ive used the search function but it seems there is only 1 thread which was not very active at all.
There are some "newer" peptides that sound promising regarding heart health, cardiovascular health, cartilage tissue health etc.
does anybody on here has some first hand experience with those?
most of them end on "-gen"
from the research site they look promising..
thanks alot!

 

[trackstar19]

I have been using Cardiogen for the last month and intend to use it for a few more weeks. I’m using it in conjunction with high doses of the glow stack. Hard to say if/what the cardiogen is doing but it’s cheap enough and the research seems promising so to me it is worth using if you have a good reason for it.

 

[FrenchBench22]

Hey guys,
ive used the search function but it seems there is only 1 thread which was not very active at all.
There are some "newer" peptides that sound promising regarding heart health, cardiovascular health, cartilage tissue health etc.
does anybody on here has some first hand experience with those?
most of them end on "-gen"
from the research site they look promising..
thanks alot!

This class of peptides are known as bioregulators.

BioRegulators

Surprised there are no threads on these yet. In a nutshell, these are in some ways; the next phase of Peptides. These are able to be used orally (due to shorter chains of AA’s) and are less fragile. These are much more “targeted” and more so deigned for specific organ therapy vs being...

www.professionalmuscle.com

 

[whacked]

N=1
Over-rated

Used an expensive Kidney Bioregulator Pielotax for month with no statistically relevant improvement in Cystatin C

 

[Maelstrom]

These aren't new at all, they've been around for a while. I've seen very limited evidence they are effective in practice.

 

[Reno911]

Going to give the Cartalax a go in a few weeks. I'll chime in with anything of note.

 

[Sectør]

Been following the bio regulator talk, and peoples experiences with them, although I haven’t personally used them yet.

Cartalax seems kind of interesting for joint health but I’d rather just wait a bit since these are newer and there’s a lot of unknowns

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

These have been of great interest to me. I ran the Vladonix bioregualtor back in Aug-sept since my immune system is terrible and the reason I havnt fought in MMA, got sick in each camp. Afterwards I followed up with SS-31 than a couple of immune peptides I keep in to this day, and knock on wood I have not gotten sick. After all the flying, social events, hard training, im good to this day (hopefully stay this way). But this is the longest i have gone without being sick in years (6 months now). Im sure its a culmination of all the changes so hard to pinpoint.

I am about to run the Cerluten A-5 (CNS) and Endoluten A-8 (pineal). Will be interesting to see how sleep regulates and my CNS system, as my cns system has been whacky since my mercury poisoning bout years back.

 

[M@NU]

These have been of great interest to me. I ran the Vladonix bioregualtor back in Aug-sept since my immune system is terrible and the reason I havnt fought in MMA, got sick in each camp. Afterwards I followed up with SS-31 than a couple of immune peptides I keep in to this day, and knock on wood I have not gotten sick. After all the flying, social events, hard training, im good to this day (hopefully stay this way). But this is the longest i have gone without being sick in years (6 months now). Im sure its a culmination of all the changes so hard to pinpoint.

I am about to run the Cerluten A-5 (CNS) and Endoluten A-8 (pineal). Will be interesting to see how sleep regulates and my CNS system, as my cns system has been whacky since my mercury poisoning bout years back.

i am a big fan of SS31 but even more so of Mots-C. Changed my Body, mainly midsection, in a matter of weeks, i can barely believe it.
Immune Peptides you are talking about Thymosin A-1 i suppose?
Cerluten A-5 also sounds interesting. My muscles recover quite fast but my CNS is always shot, haha
thanks @ all for your inputs!

 

[Sectør]

i am a big fan of SS31 but even more so of Mots-C. Changed my Body, mainly midsection, in a matter of weeks, i can barely believe it.
Immune Peptides you are talking about Thymosin A-1 i suppose?
Cerluten A-5 also sounds interesting. My muscles recover quite fast but my CNS is always shot, haha
thanks @ all for your inputs!

What did you notice from ss-31, if anything?

 

[whacked]

i am a big fan of SS31 but even more so of Mots-C. Changed my Body, mainly midsection, in a matter of weeks, i can barely believe it.
Immune Peptides you are talking about Thymosin A-1 i suppose?
Cerluten A-5 also sounds interesting. My muscles recover quite fast but my CNS is always shot, haha
thanks @ all for your inputs!

Great to hear.
What was your body fat.

Not implying that you are but I would not put peps and bioregulators in the same camp.

The former has a world-wide contingent logging positive results and benefits. Not so much at all with the latter.

I drank the kool aid on bioregulators and got burned on Pielotax ($$$); so just trying to save you all a few bucks.

 

[M@NU]

Great to hear.
What was your body fat.

Not implying that you are but I would not put peps and bioregulators in the same camp.

The former has a world-wide contingent logging positive results and benefits. Not so much at all with the latter.

I drank the kool aid on bioregulators and got burned on Pielotax ($$$); so just trying to save you all a few bucks.

my bodyfat is almost always sub 12%. i would say now around 10.
Nono, i know peptides are more or less proven and work. Thats why i did this topic about the bioregulators. If they are comparable or not

about your question about bodyfat:
i am not directly talking about losing fat here. maybe i did a bit. But for me, it did more in reducing distention.
my blood glucose and hb1ac is and was always great, but i assume i had/have some "hidden" metabolic disorder.
this alongside with higher dosages hgh always had me distented. Since using Mots-c, this is reduced by a good margin

@Sectør :
i would say a somewhat "clean energy" and more clear thinking.
But compared to Mots-C it didnt to as much as you like for its price

 

[BALDNAZI]

my bodyfat is almost always sub 12%. i would say now around 10.
Nono, i know peptides are more or less proven and work. Thats why i did this topic about the bioregulators. If they are comparable or not

about your question about bodyfat:
i am not directly talking about losing fat here. maybe i did a bit. But for me, it did more in reducing distention.
my blood glucose and hb1ac is and was always great, but i assume i had/have some "hidden" metabolic disorder.
this alongside with higher dosages hgh always had me distented. Since using Mots-c, this is reduced by a good margin

@Sectør :
i would say a somewhat "clean energy" and more clear thinking.
But compared to Mots-C it didnt to as much as you like for its price

Dosage you used on SS-31? I plan on doing 10mg/day for 8 weeks. Haven’t decided to stay on MOTS C with it yet. If I do I’ll run MOTS C at 5mg/day.

 

[M@NU]

i did use 5mg eod for SS31 but only did it for 3 weeks.
Now im on the forth week of Mots-C at 3-4mg daily. I did not run them together.
Right now my "Mito" stack is 3-4mg Mots-C, 4mg 5-Amino-1MQ, 50mg NAD+ injectable daily, 500mg injectable L-Carn 3 times a week and 2x 5mg Slu-PP oral daily

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

i am a big fan of SS31 but even more so of Mots-C. Changed my Body, mainly midsection, in a matter of weeks, i can barely believe it.
Immune Peptides you are talking about Thymosin A-1 i suppose?
Cerluten A-5 also sounds interesting. My muscles recover quite fast but my CNS is always shot, haha
thanks @ all for your inputs!

Yessir!

So I did

-SS-31 for 4 weeks- 1.5mg I think? for 5x per week M-F
-Did thymostin alpha 1- 1.5mg 2x per week for 4 weeks, now I keep it in at .5mg 2x per week. May bump it up if traveling or around more social settings
-KPV Inject- 500mcg daily
This all + my OTC vitamin/mineral stack

Without a doubt the entire process has made a massive difference in my immunity and my recovery

 

[whacked]

N=1
Over-rated

Used an expensive Kidney Bioregulator Pielotax for month with no statistically relevant improvement in Cystatin C

Sorry all

That should’ve said for “months”.
3 to be exact.

I really bought into the science and had high hopes.

Sadly, it was a bust for me.

 

[Anabolix8]

These aren’t performance peptides. Cardiogen, Vesugen, Cartalax are organ-specific peptide bioregulators meant to signal repair at the tissue level. Mostly preclinical and anecdotal data, not growth peptides. Useful as supportive tools, expectations should stay realistic.