ChatGPT "coaching"

[Elvia1023]

Everyone has covered the main topics and there have been many good replies. Obviously it can't replace a human in certain situations. Meaning if you are in contest prep having a real coach (an attentive one) should be the only option. No AI program can replace the service a great coach offers especially for certain people. For the other 99% I think it is a great tool. Getting in shape or growing is not rocket science you just need to be consistent. The reason it's so hard for most people is because they are not committed or consistent. Some people really do need to hold someone's hand to get results because if they don't have someone helping they overthink and don't stay committed and self sabotage.

Obviously there are often better ways than increasing calories linearly because the body doesn't always work like that but for most people I see nothing wrong with that and it's not like it's recommending big jumps in calories. It should be used as a compliment and basically a research tool but for most I think it could help them grow huge and/or get in great shape. Where it falls short is the fact many guys need that external motivation. They need the human aspect and the guidance and to feel like they are not only doing it for themselves but for their coach.

For many regular gym goers even the payment gives them motivation which is ridiculous but very true. Meaning sometimes even if you have all the credentials (IFBB Pro for example) if you give someone advice for free they are less likely to follow that advice. Now if they go to you and pay monthly for a plan sometimes that motivates them and they put more value into that plan because they paid for it. I remember Phil Hernon telling me that 15 years ago and how he would give plans for free to people and they never followed them but if they paid they would be more likely to adhere to the plan.

I think coaches are great and recommend them all the time for a variety of reasons but if someone has the right mindset and is not competing the likes of chatgpt is an excellent tool and will save them plenty of money. Again it's different for experienced/advanced guys needing someone to help them get in amazing shape and navigate a contest prep. That's a whole different realm and AI (at this time) can't compete with what a good human coach can do.

For general population and more beginner types this is a great tool. Every coach will know that when you are helping out beginners (not all but some) 95% of their questions are google type questions and that's why all big time coaches don't even coach those guys because it's too much time/effort with little reward and this is were chatgpt could really shine. Although those fuckers would hire a coach ask them 100 questions and do the exact same with chatgpt and then compare the answers

 

[hawkmoon]

One critical area in n which LLMs cannot touch humans is intuition. They are also not as good at inductive reasoning.

All the data we process, plus emotional and experiential data get processed, shelved, surfaced, remixed all day every day.

Until AI can get connected to IoT, have persistent memory, and be able to update itself based on what it learns it cannot match is. It also needs tremendous resources.

I'm saying that because I think coaching takes a lot of intuition. The basics can be automated with ease, but that idea that pops out of nowhere that can make or break a client, that is something LLMs cannot touch.

Yet.

I'm re-reading William Gibson's Sprawl series and it interesting to see how the future is unfolding.

 

[Shelby]

One critical area in n which LLMs cannot touch humans is intuition. They are also not as good at inductive reasoning.

All the data we process, plus emotional and experiential data get processed, shelved, surfaced, remixed all day every day.

Until AI can get connected to IoT, have persistent memory, and be able to update itself based on what it learns it cannot match is. It also needs tremendous resources.

I'm saying that because I think coaching takes a lot of intuition. The basics can be automated with ease, but that idea that pops out of nowhere that can make or break a client, that is something LLMs cannot touch.

Yet.

I'm re-reading William Gibson's Sprawl series and it interesting to see how the future is unfolding.

How do you think humans develop intuition?
Is it always right?
Are some humans "better" at intuition than others? (if so, why?)
What would hold back an AI from developing these?
Just some questions to ponder.

 

[gauge22-v2]

One critical area in n which LLMs cannot touch humans is intuition. They are also not as good at inductive reasoning.

All the data we process, plus emotional and experiential data get processed, shelved, surfaced, remixed all day every day.

Until AI can get connected to IoT, have persistent memory, and be able to update itself based on what it learns it cannot match is. It also needs tremendous resources.

I'm saying that because I think coaching takes a lot of intuition. The basics can be automated with ease, but that idea that pops out of nowhere that can make or break a client, that is something LLMs cannot touch.

Yet.

I'm re-reading William Gibson's Sprawl series and it interesting to see how the future is unfolding.

AI is already connected to IIOT so matter of time before the trickle down to consumers as far as health gadgets etc, I am assuming that was what you meant.

To think about where this could go from a bodybuilding perspective:
- Velocity monitoring for bar speed -> actual effort and if you are truly progressing
- AI review of form while lifting
- Heart rate monitoring to help with rest periods
- Monitoring of perceived effort through combination of volume lifted, effort (determined by bar speed), heart rate, time on site
- Monitoring of CNS through HRV, time on site at gym, sleep, nutrition, body composition, cortisol testing (Saliva)
- Blood sugar
- Blood pressure
- CPAP machine stats

It could be endless tbh....

 

[Shelby]

Not exactly bodybuilding related but AI related, and this was way back in Feb 2018:

Deep Neural Networks Are More Accurate than Humans at Detecting Sexual Orientation from Facial Images

www.gsb.stanford.edu

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

ChatGPT is very good at learning you and telling you what you want to hear. That is the exact opposite of what competitors need in a coach as they tell you what you don’t want to hear.

The human element is not going anywhere IMO.

This! Bodybuilding can not be explained in a straight forward book. If it were, it would alreaady be a one size manual fits all for everyone. A computer will never be able to take up what true experience and the "eye" can do.

 

[Bleed]

Awesome question.

I was talking about this just the other day.

When we say intelligence, we know there are different kinds of intelligence, emotional, problem solving etc. Is it possible to train an AI on emotional intelligence? A lot of humans barely meet the threshold to operate day to day at an emotional intelligence level. How can we test a machine?

One of the factors we talk about is experience. What do we mean when we say "experience?" Is it just the sum of our experiences? Why are there guys who have been bodybuilding or playing guitar for over 40 years and you would never know? Is it practice? Perfect practice? Is it truly genetics? How could you teach a machine genetics or to model genetics?

Im not really answering your question and it wasnt my intention to play the socratic method with you but these questions you are asking need to be answered and Im not sure AI modeling has the answers or even is even close to them.

Heres one anecdote for you. Humans are hard wired to hone in on faces. We get a lot of information just looking at another persons face. It's why theres so many youtube thumbnails, ads, etc with faces plastered on them. This means that humans have an innate understanding at some level of obtaining data from other peoples faces (reliably?...that depends on the person). Heres my question: What makes some people so good at spotting conmen and liars while other people are marks for them time and time again? I can spot a bullshit artist the moment they open their mouths. But some people not only cant tell, they'll give them access to all their money. It's insane but it happens everyday. I dont have a checklist and Im not consciously running a script but it's obvious when someone has no idea what theyre talking about or when someone is trying to fleece to you. Can a machine be taught to do this when there are people over 60 years old who cant?

I imagine this intuition you are talking about as a trainer is much of the same thing. Sometimes you know something before you even know why or you have to think about why you even know it. It happens so fast, you dont even think about it. I think that is intuition. Can you teach a machine this by feeding it all your data for every client youve ever had? Probably not. What if you give it direct access to your brain? Not with current technology but scarily enough, I think the answer is yes but we would have to figure out a whole lot more on the how and why the human brain works before you model it.

Maybe AI modelers figure out how to model even this. Or maybe they use multiple AIs bouncing data off each other to figure it out "Silicon Valley the tv show style".

Is intuition always right? Absolutely not. Some peoples intuition is why they trust every smiling face or every MLM from every new "friend" they just met. But there are some guys Ive known a long time who if they were to caution me about anything thats tertiary to my area of expertise, I wouldnt hesitate to listen.

How do you think humans develop intuition?
Is it always right?
Are some humans "better" at intuition than others? (if so, why?)
What would hold back an AI from developing these?
Just some questions to ponder.

 

[troponin]

ChatGPT is very good at learning you and telling you what you want to hear. That is the exact opposite of what competitors need in a coach as they tell you what you don’t want to hear.

The human element is not going anywhere IMO.

This is a very good point. It's really easy to guide an AI into saying what you want, especially if you continue on with a chat for many prompts. Having it stay true to the core reference knowledge gets harder the deeper into new contextual knowledge you take it.

 

[hawkmoon]

AI is already connected to IIOT so matter of time before the trickle down to consumers as far as health gadgets etc, I am assuming that was what you meant.

To think about where this could go from a bodybuilding perspective:
- Velocity monitoring for bar speed -> actual effort and if you are truly progressing
- AI review of form while lifting
- Heart rate monitoring to help with rest periods
- Monitoring of perceived effort through combination of volume lifted, effort (determined by bar speed), heart rate, time on site
- Monitoring of CNS through HRV, time on site at gym, sleep, nutrition, body composition, cortisol testing (Saliva)
- Blood sugar
- Blood pressure
- CPAP machine stats

It could be endless tbh....

By IoT I meant as a means of giving it senses so it can continuously learn on its own and not be relegated to a box where it is fed selected information for it models.
Even crawling the entity of the internet is only data collection.

I even had a discussion with ChatGPT asking it's opinion in what would it take to elevate it.

 

[hawkmoon]

How do you think humans develop intuition?
Is it always right?
Are some humans "better" at intuition than others? (if so, why?)
What would hold back an AI from developing these?
Just some questions to ponder.

I know what you mean, intuition isn't a guarantee of the right choice, and it can often be the wrong one.

But it's a whole different modality of thinking that allows one to utilize experience, emotions, and subconscious thought to arrive at novel conclusions. It's where most unique ideas come from.

It would take sensory input like our own, something like emotional response to prioritize and categorize experience, along with a whole different paradigm of storage and memory management. We do it all with 20 watts and a small lump of fat that has 100 trillion synapses.

 

[Duke309]

This is a very good point. It's really easy to guide an AI into saying what you want, especially if you continue on with a chat for many prompts. Having it stay true to the core reference knowledge gets harder the deeper into new contextual knowledge you take it.

Very similar to the people that just read the Wikipedia page on something and become an"expert". Once you start digging and asking deeper questions you see the cracks in understanding start to form.

 

[KingOfSushi]

This is a very good point. It's really easy to guide an AI into saying what you want, especially if you continue on with a chat for many prompts. Having it stay true to the core reference knowledge gets harder the deeper into new contextual knowledge you take it.

This is true.

For myself, the best way around this is when I wake up every morning to log my weight in it I have it spit back my full list of logs, stats, protocol, and goals. That way it’s constantly “reminded”. It works well with this approach.

Just got your app this morning as well, and am excited to compare to GPT5. Planning to just send the full protocol and logs gpt has on me so it gets all the context needed (clarifying things as needed of course), then comparing the two from there. Should be fun.

 

[kadafi2]

ChatGPT is very good at learning you and telling you what you want to hear. That is the exact opposite of what competitors need in a coach as they tell you what you don’t want to hear.

The human element is not going anywhere IMO.

Exactly, ChatGPT can be a truly good "soulmate," able to support and advise on work, financial, romantic matters, and more. Always offering something optimistic. They try to convey unpleasant things in the most subtle way possible. The creators of this chat seem to assume that people these days are sensitive, hence the algorithm, lol.

 

[Siggy]

Just recently began playing with CHATGPT, was hoping you guys could help.

After it gives the main answer/summary for a question I asked , at the end it will ask something like " Would you like me to break this down into a graph?" or offer to do something else that is helpful. How do I select the function to accept this further summary? There is a series of small icons at the end but none of them seem to work.....

 

[Bleed]

reply with "yes"

Just recently began playing with CHATGPT, was hoping you guys could help.

After it gives the main answer/summary for a question I asked , at the end it will ask something like " Would you like me to break this down into a graph?" or offer to do something else that is helpful. How do I select the function to accept this further summary? There is a series of small icons at the end but none of them seem to work.....

 

[Siggy]

reply with "yes"

Hahahahha, thanks.

 

[Sectør]

Just recently began playing with CHATGPT, was hoping you guys could help.

After it gives the main answer/summary for a question I asked , at the end it will ask something like " Would you like me to break this down into a graph?" or offer to do something else that is helpful. How do I select the function to accept this further summary? There is a series of small icons at the end but none of them seem to work.....

Like bleed said just say yes

You can also ask it to do a “deep dive” or a “comprehensive breakdown” on the topic and it should spit out a more advanced level of detail.

If you know how to prompt it, the outputs can be magical. I’m thinking of taking some prompt engineering courses to really take things to another level. This technology will be around for decades and centuries, I feel like prompt engineering is going to be an incredibly useful skill set to unlocking new functions we never even thought of

 

[KingOfSushi]

Just recently began playing with CHATGPT, was hoping you guys could help.

After it gives the main answer/summary for a question I asked , at the end it will ask something like " Would you like me to break this down into a graph?" or offer to do something else that is helpful. How do I select the function to accept this further summary? There is a series of small icons at the end but none of them seem to work.....

Say yes. You can ask for specifics too. “Yes, and please also add X and make it Y” for example