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Chlomid w/ Test?

CDGraff15

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Hey all, I need some guidance in regards to what I'm currently prescribed and what I'd like to incorporate.

M 27

I'm currently coming to the end of my 6 weeks of 25mg Chlomid/day and 1mg Arimidex/week. This was prescribed due to extremely low test and stupid high estrogen (cause unknown). I may or may not need to continue based on bloodwork this upcoming week.

However, I'd like to incorporate 500mg Test/week for 16 weeks. Can I continue to take the Chlomid on top of that to maintain natural production and testicle size as well as the Arimidex? Or should I just "PCT" with Chlomid and Arimidex.

Also taking 600mg L-Carnitine/day and MK677, not sure if that matters

TIA
 
How fat are you? Stupid high estrogen does not happen in fit athletic people. Do you wanna work with a doctor or go renegade and jump from low T to 500mg/wk? It`s one or the other. Testosterone is regulated by a negative feedback loop. Exogenous T (injections) will shut down natural production. HCG ain`t doing jack shit to overcome the body`s feedback loop! Adex probably still needed
 
You should do what your doctor tells you to do.
Which if you’re just trying for TRT and to have healthy levels, he won’t tell you to blast 500mg of test. That will shut you down and no amount of Clomid will keep your nuts churning

Now personally I got on TRT before ever doing a cycle, and my doctor has me taking Enclomiphene too. I really don’t think it makes a difference, maybe helps with fertility or something, no idea but I just take it because it’s part of my baseline protocol 🤷‍♂️
My balls have never shrunk. I have never and will never come off though
 
What were your levels at when your doc ran labs? Is there any indication of medical issues causing this?
 
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I'd say for a healthy, super active 27 year old that test is pretty low and estrogen is high
 
How fat are you? Stupid high estrogen does not happen in fit athletic people. Do you wanna work with a doctor or go renegade and jump from low T to 500mg/wk? It`s one or the other. Testosterone is regulated by a negative feedback loop. Exogenous T (injections) will shut down natural production. HCG ain`t doing jack shit to overcome the body`s feedback loop! Adex probably still needed
Probably 6-7%? I can trace my veins up my stomach to my chest so however lean that is. I'm currently working with my Dr to get my levels normal. Once normalized and we square away whatever may have cause it I would like to hop on test.
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I typically do 180mg of Test E a week broken up into 3 doses.

Then HCG 3x a week at 350iu at a time.

This keeps my test around 1300 year around and I’m still having kids even with my past of seriously abusing AAS
 
I still dont understand why in this community people give answers to stuff they haven't researched and state things they don't know as absolutely yes and no answers.

https://ibb.co/6BB17zg

Yes clomid will prevent shut down on cycle Its been proven in multiple studies. And its something I've used for years now in guys who wanted to prevent shut down. Heres my write up on it below with some of the studies linked and a recent blood work of one of my guys on cycle on clomid.


How To Fully Prevent Shut Down On Cycle And Stay Natural!​

Individuals considering using anabolic steroids (AAS) often fear trying them due to concerns of shutting down their natural hormone production and never recovering. This worry alone is enough to detract a prospective user from following through with a steroid cycle, but the desire to use anabolic steroids remains. As many wish to see what it would be like to have all of their hard work in the gym to build muscle mass, strength and fat loss severely enhanced.
Contrary to what others claim, anabolic steroids CAN be used without shutting down your natural hormone production. The body can be fooled to believe exogenous hormones were never touched and maintain your natural hormone production fully, even during the cycle.
The so-called “experts” and “gurus” have preached for decades that it is utterly useless to incorporate drugs like SERMS (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators), such as Clomid, on cycle. They claim such additions would have no effect on your natural production/recovery until the presence of exogenous hormones has cleared. This may be one of the biggest bodybuilding/hormone-related myths I’ve come across to date, that shutdown is inevitable, and nothing can be done to prevent it. Such a claim is far from the truth.

I. WHAT DOES THE SCIENCE SAY?​

Here is what the data says on the matter. Shutdown of hormones while on AAS can be prevented. It has been proven in not just one, but multiple studies. The SERM “Clomid” has been proven to prevent shut down during usage of:
Hormone replacement (HRT) doses of testosterone
Supraphysiological doses of testosterone
Other anabolic androgenic compounds such as “Halotestin”

The research shows us that higher doses, such as the amounts used for bodybuilding purposes, can be ran while fully preventing our natural hormone production from shutting down and while on other anabolic steroids other than testosterone.
“During chronic clomiphene therapy, neither T nor E when given in doses equal to twice their mean production rate in normal men, nor the nonaromatizable androgens, dihydrotestosterone and fluoxymesterone, in dosages equipotent to the infused T were capable of suppressing serum LH and FSH levels or altering the responses of LH and FSH to LRH administration. The resistance of gonadotropin to suppression by androgen during clomiphene blockade remains unexplained.”
“Winters et al. showed the CC was able to block the LH and FSH suppression that occurs with exogenous T and estrogen administration, thus demonstrating that estrogen was the primary inhibitory hormone on GnRH, LH and FSH. “


II. ON PREGNANCY​

It is worth noting that the above also offers an explanation to those who speak of how common it is for users’ wives to become pregnant on cycle, despite research indicating that steroids can lead to infertility. If that person was taking a SERM on cycle to prevent or treat side effects, like gynecomastia (breast tissue growth), they effectively reversed shutdown and were consequently able to impregnate their significant other.

III. ALWAYS FACT CHECK​

A wide variety of myths, like the claim of unavoidable shutdown, are circulated in the bodybuilding community without anyone ever providing even a scintilla of evidence or scientific data to back up such claims. To make matters worse, readers blindly accept these statements as fact, never attempting to confirm the veracity of these claims.
One should never believe what you read at first glance. This also applies to anything I say. I encourage you to do the research for yourself and to make an informed decision before delving into steroid usage, or anything for that matter.

MY PERSONAL SUGGESTIONS​

If I was a new, first time user to anabolic steroids, and was concerned of long term shut down or my testosterone levels never fully recovering, or just never wanting to go through the shutdown process at all. Because I may not want to run more then 1 or 2 cycles and just be done with it, or just to test the waters and see if I like using anabolics. I would probably for my first few cycles run Clomid. Starting Clomid 1-2 weeks before the anabolic steroid cycle and continue it for 1-2 weeks after the steroid ester has cleared fully. This way I would prevent any possibility of a natural testosterone production shut down that does not recover to its initial starting level, or at all recovering. (unknown myth). This way I would feel safe knowing my natural hormone production is safe and untouched while I test my run of anabolic steroids, for a cycle or 2. Because You may be satisfied with a 1 or 2, or several cycles, and never want to touch them again. Or at least for a very long time, years even. This way you have peace of mind and feel safe that your natural testosterone production is where you left it, untouched by steroid shut down.

Studies on the Role of Sex Steroids in the Feedback Control of Gonadotropin Concentrations in Men. II. Use of the Estrogen Antagonist, Clomiphene Citrate* | Request PDF (researchgate.net)
 
That is not high estrogen lol do your homework and listen to your doctor. If you’re not listening to your doctor why even go to one? Some of these questions boggle my mind. Think before asking…….really simple
 
I still dont understand why in this community people give answers to stuff they haven't researched and state things they don't know as absolutely yes and no answers.

https://ibb.co/6BB17zg

Yes clomid will prevent shut down on cycle Its been proven in multiple studies. And its something I've used for years now in guys who wanted to prevent shut down. Heres my write up on it below with some of the studies linked and a recent blood work of one of my guys on cycle on clomid.


How To Fully Prevent Shut Down On Cycle And Stay Natural!​

Individuals considering using anabolic steroids (AAS) often fear trying them due to concerns of shutting down their natural hormone production and never recovering. This worry alone is enough to detract a prospective user from following through with a steroid cycle, but the desire to use anabolic steroids remains. As many wish to see what it would be like to have all of their hard work in the gym to build muscle mass, strength and fat loss severely enhanced.
Contrary to what others claim, anabolic steroids CAN be used without shutting down your natural hormone production. The body can be fooled to believe exogenous hormones were never touched and maintain your natural hormone production fully, even during the cycle.
The so-called “experts” and “gurus” have preached for decades that it is utterly useless to incorporate drugs like SERMS (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators), such as Clomid, on cycle. They claim such additions would have no effect on your natural production/recovery until the presence of exogenous hormones has cleared. This may be one of the biggest bodybuilding/hormone-related myths I’ve come across to date, that shutdown is inevitable, and nothing can be done to prevent it. Such a claim is far from the truth.

I. WHAT DOES THE SCIENCE SAY?​

Here is what the data says on the matter. Shutdown of hormones while on AAS can be prevented. It has been proven in not just one, but multiple studies. The SERM “Clomid” has been proven to prevent shut down during usage of:
Hormone replacement (HRT) doses of testosterone
Supraphysiological doses of testosterone
Other anabolic androgenic compounds such as “Halotestin”
The research shows us that higher doses, such as the amounts used for bodybuilding purposes, can be ran while fully preventing our natural hormone production from shutting down and while on other anabolic steroids other than testosterone.
“During chronic clomiphene therapy, neither T nor E when given in doses equal to twice their mean production rate in normal men, nor the nonaromatizable androgens, dihydrotestosterone and fluoxymesterone, in dosages equipotent to the infused T were capable of suppressing serum LH and FSH levels or altering the responses of LH and FSH to LRH administration. The resistance of gonadotropin to suppression by androgen during clomiphene blockade remains unexplained.”
“Winters et al. showed the CC was able to block the LH and FSH suppression that occurs with exogenous T and estrogen administration, thus demonstrating that estrogen was the primary inhibitory hormone on GnRH, LH and FSH. “


II. ON PREGNANCY​

It is worth noting that the above also offers an explanation to those who speak of how common it is for users’ wives to become pregnant on cycle, despite research indicating that steroids can lead to infertility. If that person was taking a SERM on cycle to prevent or treat side effects, like gynecomastia (breast tissue growth), they effectively reversed shutdown and were consequently able to impregnate their significant other.

III. ALWAYS FACT CHECK​

A wide variety of myths, like the claim of unavoidable shutdown, are circulated in the bodybuilding community without anyone ever providing even a scintilla of evidence or scientific data to back up such claims. To make matters worse, readers blindly accept these statements as fact, never attempting to confirm the veracity of these claims.
One should never believe what you read at first glance. This also applies to anything I say. I encourage you to do the research for yourself and to make an informed decision before delving into steroid usage, or anything for that matter.

MY PERSONAL SUGGESTIONS​

If I was a new, first time user to anabolic steroids, and was concerned of long term shut down or my testosterone levels never fully recovering, or just never wanting to go through the shutdown process at all. Because I may not want to run more then 1 or 2 cycles and just be done with it, or just to test the waters and see if I like using anabolics. I would probably for my first few cycles run Clomid. Starting Clomid 1-2 weeks before the anabolic steroid cycle and continue it for 1-2 weeks after the steroid ester has cleared fully. This way I would prevent any possibility of a natural testosterone production shut down that does not recover to its initial starting level, or at all recovering. (unknown myth). This way I would feel safe knowing my natural hormone production is safe and untouched while I test my run of anabolic steroids, for a cycle or 2. Because You may be satisfied with a 1 or 2, or several cycles, and never want to touch them again. Or at least for a very long time, years even. This way you have peace of mind and feel safe that your natural testosterone production is where you left it, untouched by steroid shut down.

Studies on the Role of Sex Steroids in the Feedback Control of Gonadotropin Concentrations in Men. II. Use of the Estrogen Antagonist, Clomiphene Citrate* | Request PDF (researchgate.net)

You're back :)

Can you post the full paper please?

As the study/abstract you have posted is on Test E admin of 7.5mg per day for only 4 days (https://www.researchgate.net/public...of_the_Estrogen_Antagonist_Clomiphene_Citrate).
 
Open the full paper. Read references. As already quoted upwards 200mg test a week and other androgens tested as well.
 
How fat are you? Stupid high estrogen does not happen in fit athletic people. Do you wanna work with a doctor or go renegade and jump from low T to 500mg/wk? It`s one or the other. Testosterone is regulated by a negative feedback loop. Exogenous T (injections) will shut down natural production. HCG ain`t doing jack shit to overcome the body`s feedback loop! Adex probably still needed
That’s not true at all. I am fairly lean, 6 pack. Not ripped 6 pack, but I have it all. 100mg trt from doc pharma puts my
total test at 1400, and Estrodiol in the 50s without an AI
 
That’s not true at all. I am fairly lean, 6 pack. Not ripped 6 pack, but I have it all. 100mg trt from doc pharma puts my
total test at 1400, and Estrodiol in the 50s without an AI
Right and the Op said he had "extremely low test and stupid high estrogen"... both are in range, definitely not "stupid high estrogen. Neither is 50`s. Op is an overreacting moron. I`ll state again, stupid high estrogen does not happen in normal athletic men
 
That’s not true at all. I am fairly lean, 6 pack. Not ripped 6 pack, but I have it all. 100mg trt from doc pharma puts my
total test at 1400, and Estrodiol in the 50s without an AI
I’m confused - are you saying you have high E2?
 
I’m confused - are you saying you have high E2?
Yes, 100mg of test cyp has my total test around 1400, and Estrodiol in the 50s. Prior to TRT, I was total T ~upper 200s and Estrodiol was 18.

Estrodiol in the 50s on 100mg of test cyp from cvs made me symptomatic requiring adex 1mg weekly.

All I was saying was you can get high e2 from low test and not be fat. I wouldn’t consider myself fat by any means, rather lean.
 

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