wow. thats ALOT of info right there. ouch, are you suggesting what i am doing is NOT a good idea?
no i have none of this stuff in front of me. like i said in my original post i have ran a clomid 50mg/EOD cycle before and had good results with it. i have been reading that some people use aromasin when running a clomid cycle.
now you are suggesting just running nolvadex instead of clomid? with aromasin? i just want the best possible T increase without being shutdown and pinning.
thanks for all the info, much appreciated.
What do you mean you had good results with it? What were the results? Did you gain muscle? Did it remain after you quit the Clomid? How do you know it was the Clomid?
There has been quite a lot of research on these AI's and SERM's to elevate testosterone levels. On the heels of much of this research came a few protocols, like your "Clomid cycle" and a few products like the one by Patrick Arnold, the inventor of THG, a steroid known as "The Clear" because it beat drug tests (the tests were "clear") and also remember the BALCO scandal? Barry Bonds, Marian Jones... etc? Well he got in trouble and after he repaid his debt to society, he began marketing a "supplement" (an AI drug, let's face it) to increase testosterone levels called 6OXO (this was a few years back). I haven't paid much attention since then and I have no idea where that whole situation is at now because I haven't spoken with him in many years.
Anyway, back then, it was noticed by many people that these protocols had some sides of their own for most people. And with the minimal hike in testosterone that you could actually get through an internal mechanism (like an LH/FSH increase) most people no longer even look at these protocols as practical (I know I don't). The study I posted above shows some moderate increase in testosterone levels without wrecking your lipid profile (cholesterol) and without the sex drive and other issues (Clomid has visual disturbances and blurred vision, etc.). If I were to do anything like this, it would be Aromasin - but even then it would be to kill the aromatase enzyme and decrease estrogen from conversion and not use it at a "steroid cycle" in itself.
The point is the fallacy that you are somehow sparing your body the damage a steroid might do and at the same time, also avoiding the needle. That's fine but as I said there's no free lunch and that Clomid you can throw in the trash for all its headaches and problems. You certainly don't need to stack two of them together no matter what the case. I'm not suggesting any cycle. I don't do that. I'm only saying that if I were to try to raise my own testosterone levels artificially through a drug, it wouldn't be Clomid or Femara, that's for sure. What happens when I stop? Then I rebound estrogen low and testosterone goes even lower than normal and I lose any size in skeletal muscle I made (if a person actually realistically made gains while doing this at all, which I highly doubt)?
I wouldn't waste my time with these drugs. Just because it's not an AAS, doesn't mean it won't impair your natural axis. Watching action movies with lots of fight scenes also raises testosterone. Ever have a great workout because you just watched Warrior or Rocky IV? Silly as it sounds, it's probably almost the same amount of increase in testosterone just not sustained like it would be with a drug.