Coming off after extended use.. Vets please..

[JuicedAthletics]

Hello,

This is quite the first post!! Anyways, I'm a long time member at a few other boards but have recently found valid reasons to doubt the credibility of who is offering advice behind the computer screen. These are medical supplements and people need to know the seriousness of the advice they give.

On any note, I am 27 years old. Have 10 plus years of training and athletics under my belt. AS usage for maybe 4 years. Very light and short cycles at first with double or triple the time off but this last cycle has lasted me a little over 13 months. I never dosed very high, 250mg cruises and 600-700mg blasts with an oral or light tren were the heavy parts.. Reguardless I need to take some time off. I will have blood levels checked after PCT a few times but I wanted to know what the best way to come off was.

I have about 4-5 more weeks of test use and then I plan to come off. I am starting to use HCG. I have been taking 500-1000ius e3d for the past 7 days. My boys hurt occasionally but have yet to regain size.

What do you reccommend for these next 5 weeks to prep myself for clomid and novaldex therapy?? I will continue to be taking 2.5mg letro and 20mg novaldex EOD just for water and gyno.

Thank you in advance.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I have about 4-5 more weeks of test use and then I plan to come off. I am starting to use HCG. I have been taking 500-1000ius e3d for the past 7 days. My boys hurt occasionally but have yet to regain size.

What do you reccommend for these next 5 weeks to prep myself for clomid and novaldex therapy?? I will continue to be taking 2.5mg letro and 20mg novaldex EOD just for water and gyno.

Thank you in advance.

Prayer? I'm kidding but you need time away from drugs. It will take time and you're not going to be too happy for a while so be prepared. There is not much else you can do because it's your body that needs to recover - throwing drugs at it will only delay the inevitable. I would get bloodwork now, and every 6 months and evaluate what, if any damage was done. You may likely experience a full recovery with time. But you may not. If you do not, you'll probably have your doctor refer you to an endocrinologist or prescribe something for you.

 

[JuicedAthletics]

That's what I figured. Im going to start my HCG protocol along with Novaldex and Clomid. I'll keep this updated because Im sure there are other bros who are in this same situation and would like to know as well.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

That's what I figured. Im going to start my HCG protocol along with Novaldex and Clomid. I'll keep this updated because Im sure there are other bros who are in this same situation and would like to know as well.

Been there, done that... It's not fun but it's part of the price you pay. Eventually your strength and size will come back (some of it). You are young. Just keep working hard - biggest mistake I see is that guys just lose size and feel tired and weak but that's when you really have to get out there and work as hard as you can.

 

[oldfella]

I wll chime in here. Ouch is correct. There is no easy way to come off. You just have to do it. You will feel depressed and weak. Some of it is in your head and some of it is real. The reality of the mind games is, your situation and environment has not changed, so why perceive that it has. Just keep up your training, watch your diet as you will be prone to putting on fat, keep your protein up and most of all try to do some fun shit to keep your mind off the fact that you are not juiced anymore. Keep active, this is the most important aspect. If you happen to play your cards right you will retain a fair amount of what you gained, but you WILL HAVE TO BUST YOUR BALLS TO KEEP IT.

 

[JuicedAthletics]

You are both right and have valid points. I never took a high dose so my weight won't decrease drastically but im sure it will wreak havok on my brain when Im not getting the pumps like I used to. It was dumb of me not to take a few breaks but I got into local shows and I did 3, back to back to back and I didnt let my body have a break. When I look back it was not worth it at all.


Im running about 750-1000ius of HCG every day. Im going to continue this for at least 2 weeks followed immediately by clomid.
Day 1 300mg clomid
Days 2-3 150mg clomid
Days 4-14 100mg clomid
Days 15-30 50mg clomid

I will take a quarter of a a-dex tab to make sure to avoid an estrogen rebound

Should I throw in novaldex or is that a waste?

Thanks!

 

[dutch]

Hey man i am in the same boat as you. Been on for a long time aswell and i have been comming off since the begin of july. I have to admit its very hard for me. I have lost gains but look much better overall so that is a plus. The biggest issue for me at the moment is the total lack of libido and the problems that come with that.The insecurity if everything is going to be allright is very hard aswell. I think like the other guys say it is very important to keep busy and try to keep a positive mindset wich can be hard. Good luck man.

 

[dutch]

Prayer? I'm kidding but you need time away from drugs. It will take time and you're not going to be too happy for a while so be prepared. There is not much else you can do because it's your body that needs to recover - throwing drugs at it will only delay the inevitable. I would get bloodwork now, and every 6 months and evaluate what, if any damage was done. You may likely experience a full recovery with time. But you may not. If you do not, you'll probably have your doctor refer you to an endocrinologist or prescribe something for you.

I am 28 and the topic starter is 27. We both been on for over a year. How big is the change not recovering? I know everybody is different and you hear so much different story's.

To me also it looks like the guys who give it to much thought have the biggest issue's. The guys that dont give it much thought in my surroundings just march on like nothing happend.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I am 28 and the topic starter is 27. We both been on for over a year. How big is the change not recovering? I know everybody is different and you hear so much different story's.

To me also it looks like the guys who give it to much thought have the biggest issue's. The guys that dont give it much thought in my surroundings just march on like nothing happend.

That's probably true. The guys that don't give much thought to it just keep rumbling along and don't change anything. They keep training hard, eating well, etc. If you get wrapped up in it, then you'll probably get down, take breaks from training, etc. Remember, training increases your testosterone by itself.

Your body's HPTA is trying to reset itself. Whether it resets back to exactly the way it was before you started seems unlikely.

Also, I'm a believer in PCT because I think it does help but it's not a cure-all and even after you stop PCT, your body is going to have to perform yet another juggling act because now those chemicals are gone.

 

[Quad-smack]

Try Vitamin C @ 1000mg w/ Bfast, 500mg w/ lunch & 500mg w/ supper to help supress cortisol.
BCAA's 10g Pre & PWO to help prevent catabolism.
Forskholin helps with the body's conversion from cholesterol to Testoserone & elevates cAMP and Hormone Sensitive Lipase levels.
Keep your intensity high but drop your volume as it will now be even easier to over-train.

 

[JuicedAthletics]

Thanks guys,


Its hit me for sure. I was using prop so now after the 12th or 13th day I am feeling flat. First time in years that I didn't want to be intimate with my girl. Im continuing the clomid, proviron and novaldex. I hope to ride out these next 6 weeks and then see my blood levels.

Thank you for the advice on the vitamins. I also, bought some N02 supplements. Is there anything else out there OTC that will help? Besides the libido, the worst part is not feeling that pump!

 

[Ness]

Humanofort may be a great addition to you PCT. My last cycle was my longest and I thought I was in for a big crash when I came off, however, I never lost libido or crashed like I had in previous cycles. Good luck, bro.

 

[dutch]

Thanks guys,


Its hit me for sure. I was using prop so now after the 12th or 13th day I am feeling flat. First time in years that I didn't want to be intimate with my girl. Im continuing the clomid, proviron and novaldex. I hope to ride out these next 6 weeks and then see my blood levels.

Thank you for the advice on the vitamins. I also, bought some N02 supplements. Is there anything else out there OTC that will help? Besides the libido, the worst part is not feeling that pump!

I feel your pain man i am in the same boat. I am using nolvadex, clomid, humanobol, maca, stinging nettle, arginine, zinc but to behonest with you it doesnt feel like its doing a whole lott. I think time is the only healer. Its sucks bigtime i know.