Coming off steroids completely

[emeric delczeg]

200-300 is cycling

Yes.

 

[Dum ton]

So many experienced posts wait to be .....

 

[bryce]

good read
http://www.ergo-log.com/triptorelin.html

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[bryce]

Good luck trying to focus on a "normal life" with testosterone levels in the toilet. Why even bother?

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[Reload]

I'm 1 month from 50. 10mg Test P, 2iu GH and 10mg Cialis every day. No AI. I'm happy. I'm horny. I'm strong AF in the gym. I breath better. I wake up with wood. The "hardware" works on command. I give blood every 2 months. My BP is 120's/70's. I'm back to peeing only 1-2x night. I'm motivated at work and in the gym. Sleep is better. Less supplements to buy. More even tempered. Skin clear. No visable oil slick on the sheets any more. No more night sweats. Wife says I smell better?

 

[nothuman]

I'm 1 month from 50. 10mg Test P, 2iu GH and 10mg Cialis every day. No AI. I'm happy. I'm horny. I'm strong AF in the gym. I breath better. I wake up with wood. The "hardware" works on command. I give blood every 2 months. My BP is 120's/70's. I'm back to peeing only 1-2x night. I'm motivated at work and in the gym. Sleep is better. Less supplements to buy. More even tempered. Skin clear. No visable oil slick on the sheets any more. No more night sweats. Wife says I smell better?

This is the best thing anyone can do at your age! It's amazing how many people fear TRT and think the alternative is healthier. I'd rather be the jacked 80 year old on youtube than the 80 year old in a nursing home with an oxygen tank everywhere I go. There is no doubt your protocol will lead to the former and coming off everything leads to the latter. Keep protein high, lift weights every few days, do some cardio, keep test and igf in optimal range and take some Cialis for your heart. Hormone optimization is one of the keys to longevity!

 

[pickapeck]

Yes.

Depends, sometimes after using for years metabolism is much faster and higher dose TRT is needed.

 

[Lionheart1776]

Not be scared of TRT. It's used for a reason. What's your age?

I agree, I've was put on it before I got into bodybuilding. It's amazing how fast it becomes a very small part of your life. I literally do my injections while my breakfast simmers, takes 3-5min tops. I draw and inject it with a 21G and 27G. I got put on at 21 and will have to be on it until the day I die if I wish to feel normal since my need for it was medical in nature and cannot be reversed with current therapies.

I was thinking the other day of how I'll do my TRT if I ever get tired of it or go on vacation or something. And decided on pinning Test-U every 10-14 days. Bloods would be just as stable as CYP injected every 3 days more or less due to the longer ester.

 

[emeric delczeg]

Depends, sometimes after using for years metabolism is much faster and higher dose TRT is needed.

Yes to low testosterone level is not good, however many factors influence metabolism including sex, age, thyroid levels, the ratio of muscle to fat.

 

[Kaladryn]

Depends, sometimes after using for years metabolism is much faster and higher dose TRT is needed.

Mega studies with thousands of participants don't show this.

 

[1234trew]

If I were completely coming off at your age I would switch over to a short ester test and slowly taper off. Get the longer half life compounds out of you while you show the body less exogenous hormone. Slowly step into the water rather than dive off of the cliff.

 

[emeric delczeg]

Mega studies with thousands of participants don't show this.

Correct.

 

[dale338]

I get some guys who have been on tons of gear for decades wanting to get far away from this hobby game. Burnout, issues etc, but I do not understand the mentality of going completely off even TRT level gear. I think most are losing sight of things.

When I decided with a natural T-level of still 500 at age 48 to stick that first T-needle in, I decided there was no going back. I decided through thick and thin, I would be in TRT for life. You don't steal second base, going half way and then turning back to first. Yes, I had decent natural levels, but it wasn't enough for who I am and how I'm wired.... I was still fading away. Whether you are like me, basically doing TRT with GH, or you're running cycles and need to get health back etc, you make these decisions for life. You adjust as need be and continue research and trial and error until you get it right. Going off everything cold turkey in my opinion is a scary proposition, unless you're young and will bounce back.

There is nothing unhealthy about a proper TRT protocol and debatable if TRT with some GH sprinkled on top truly slows or even slightly reverses aging. In my three year journey now, running both, in my humble opinion, ir truly does reverse aging in many, many ways. It's three years later and I look a good 6-8 years younger. Everything is good and working.

Two cents.

 

[nothuman]

I get some guys who have been on tons of gear for decades wanting to get far away from this hobby game. Burnout, issues etc, but I do not understand the mentality of going completely off even TRT level gear. I think most are losing sight of things.

When I decided with a natural T-level of still 500 at age 48 to stick that first T-needle in, I decided there was no going back. I decided through thick and thin, I would be in TRT for life. You don't steal second base, going half way and then turning back to first. Yes, I had decent natural levels, but it wasn't enough for who I am and how I'm wired.... I was still fading away. Whether you are like me, basically doing TRT with GH, or you're running cycles and need to get health back etc, you make these decisions for life. You adjust as need be and continue research and trial and error until you get it right. Going off everything cold turkey in my opinion is a scary proposition, unless you're young and will bounce back.

There is nothing unhealthy about a proper TRT protocol and debatable if TRT with some GH sprinkled on top truly slows or even slightly reverses aging. In my three year journey now, running both, in my humble opinion, ir truly does reverse aging in many, many ways. It's three years later and I look a good 6-8 years younger. Everything is good and working.

Two cents.

Spot on. People still look at TRT and steroids as the same things mentally for the simple fact you're still injecting and using the same substance (testosterone) that you were using in order to build muscle. The big difference is one can extend your life and the other can shorten your life.