Comming off to start over

[luki7788]

I recently recorded this video - watch it, I explain in detail why bloodletting is a mistake

I recorded it so that I wouldn't have to write the same thing to everyone every now and then because someone keeps asking the same question.

 

[Brock456]

It’s already too late bro

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[pesty4077]

As others stated, too much blood donations strip iron. I would start taking 2 grams of IP6, 200 mg of Nattikonese, baby aspirin, diosmin and hesperidin 500 mg each for that high red blood count.

 

[bbxtreme]

So many guys get this subject mixed up still.

Test increases EPO. EPO tells your bone marrow to make more red blood cells. That’s basic physiology. So yeah, your RBC and hematocrit go up on cycle. That’s not automatically a red flag.

What nobody factors in is hepcidin.

Hepcidin controls iron movement. Train hard, systemic inflammation up, dieting, stress — hepcidin goes up. When that happens, iron gets locked down. It’s not moving freely and absorption drops.

So now you’re on gear, EPO is elevated, marrow is pushing out more RBC. You donate because your hematocrit hit 52. You just dumped a few hundred mg of iron. But your hepcidin is elevated from training, so iron isn’t even moving well.

Now your body is trying to build new RBC with limited usable iron.

That’s how guys end up with low ferritin, low MCV, RDW creeping up, hemoglobin still “normal,” and they feel flat as hell with garbage pumps.

Iron does not drive RBC production. EPO and androgens do. Iron just determines whether those cells are built properly. If ferritin is low and you keep donating, you’re not being “safe,” you’re slowly wrecking oxygen delivery.

If your hematocrit is 55 and you’ve got head pressure, BP climbing, sleep apnea, that’s a different conversation.

But donating every 8–10 weeks just because you’re enhanced, without even looking at ferritin, iron saturation, or understanding hepcidin, is just chasing numbers.

Carrying oxygen and performing while being healthy is the goal. Fix your inflammation, recovery and hydration and you’ll have a better picture.

 

[buck]

For 12 years i donated every 2-3 months. When i was on the most gear. Took iron supps for a week after the donation. The few times i had ferritin tested it was fine and had no symptoms of low ferritin. Still donate at least 1-2 times a year. As high(even high normal) RBC, iron, ferritin are linked to shorter longevity last i checked. Still no issues/symptoms from low ferritin iron etc. Unless there is a down side for some one i see no issues with donating and it can be a positive one for someone else. Doesn't seem it is a one size fits all.

 

[stackdizzy]

My mom got diagnosed with cancer , i was out of work and out of state for all of close to 5-6 months taking care of her while dealing with a wife and a newborn ultimatley losing my mother then coming back home and working 80-100 hour weeks blue collar work chronically dehydrated and running on caffiene sometimes working 19 hour days with literally no sleep

EKG found and abkormaliyty inversion of a t wave and that prompted nuclear stress test and echo. I should have results of nuclear stress in a day or so

Sorry to hear about your mom that is rough! Also sorry to hear about your stress test but please post the results when you know. Also I would ask the Dr if its ok to lift!

As others stated, too much blood donations strip iron. I would start taking 2 grams of IP6, 200 mg of Nattikonese, baby aspirin, diosmin and hesperidin 500 mg each for that high red blood count.

I think Pesty4077 had the best advice for you with what we know currently.

 

[Sterops]

I’d recommend donating tho, maybe you know some nurse or doctor that’s willing to do it for you and just not use the blood.

 

[Massive G]

This thread brings back nightmares of 15 years dealing with doctors and hematologist(s). Always had high hemo from test deca cycles. I remember averaging 56 to 58. In the early years I managed it by giving blood every 30 days. Once at the vein butchers of red cross every 56 days and once at hospital blood bank at 56 days so averaged once a month. Each pint pulled it down 1.5%. The thing is even going in hyper hydrated. I felt like absolute dogs shit for 2 days afterwards. Never had any iron or ferritin issues. However started seeing a new hematologist in 2016. He charted all my blood work for years going back and said my normal level at my size and level were 55 and he wasn't going to draw me silly to under 50.
I averaged a pint every 3 months or so. Fast forward to 2021 I started to take 8000 fu of Nattokinaise a day after seeing many people develop blood clots from the COVID-19 vaccine. For the next 2 years my hemo dropped to under 50 and now just sits at 45.
Nattokinaise works well but not all people see the same benefits. Nothing is ever over brother. I had undergone every test imaginable over the years with blood studies bone marrow sample genetic testing even a nasty test in the hospital in which they withdraw a pint of your blood put tracers in the blood reinfuse and then total body scan.
It's a nightmare I am glad I woke up from.

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

Sorry to hear about your mom that is rough! Also sorry to hear about your stress test but please post the results when you know. Also I would ask the Dr if its ok to lift!

I think Pesty4077 had the best advice for you with what we know currently.

Stress test came back all clear everything is good. So i can start training again i ran another cbc and ferritin fully hydrated and it made a difference just not enough

New levels RBC- 6.62
Hemoglobin 17.9
Hematocrit 56.5
Ferritin 21

This was just two weeks after the first pull and i have been on no test. I think i am just going to clear out and stay off of test for 4-8 weeks and retest. And go from there. My plan is to start training light and also up the cardio now that i know the stress test is ok.

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

This thread brings back nightmares of 15 years dealing with doctors and hematologist(s). Always had high hemo from test deca cycles. I remember averaging 56 to 58. In the early years I managed it by giving blood every 30 days. Once at the vein butchers of red cross every 56 days and once at hospital blood bank at 56 days so averaged once a month. Each pint pulled it down 1.5%. The thing is even going in hyper hydrated. I felt like absolute dogs shit for 2 days afterwards. Never had any iron or ferritin issues. However started seeing a new hematologist in 2016. He charted all my blood work for years going back and said my normal level at my size and level were 55 and he wasn't going to draw me silly to under 50.
I averaged a pint every 3 months or so. Fast forward to 2021 I started to take 8000 fu of Nattokinaise a day after seeing many people develop blood clots from the COVID-19 vaccine. For the next 2 years my hemo dropped to under 50 and now just sits at 45.
Nattokinaise works well but not all people see the same benefits. Nothing is ever over brother. I had undergone every test imaginable over the years with blood studies bone marrow sample genetic testing even a nasty test in the hospital in which they withdraw a pint of your blood put tracers in the blood reinfuse and then total body scan.
It's a nightmare I am glad I woke up from.

I have been taking natokainase pretty regularly an i don’t think it’s doing much of anything i am taking doctors best. But what brand do you use i will try something different to see if it works new hydrated bloods came down some but not enough. I think i just need time. Ferritin is already up so thats good.

 

[Massive G]

I have been taking natokainase pretty regularly an i don’t think it’s doing much of anything i am taking doctors best. But what brand do you use i will try something different to see if it works new hydrated bloods came down some but not enough. I think i just need time. Ferritin is already up so thats good.

I switched to horbach not because of lack of results just due to cost.

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

I switched to horbach not because of lack of results just due to cost.

I’ll try that one

 

[buck]

Natto does nothing for my RBC etc. I take it for it's fibrin/CAC benefits..... hopefully.

 

[Crazy_jay]

Cooking with cast iron will raise the iron content in your food.

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

Natto does nothing for my RBC etc. I take it for it's fibrin/CAC benefits..... hopefully.

Doesn’t seem to do shit for me either lol

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

Cooking with cast iron will raise the iron content in your food.

My iron levels are normal my ferritin is low. (Stores)

 

[Alzadosghost]

Coming off of everything for a long periods if time then starting gear again is awesome. It’s like the first time. Reset everything. People that thing That’s not real have no idea what they are talking about. It’s just incredible

 

[Brock456]

Coming off of everything for a long periods if time then starting gear again is awesome. It’s like the first time. Reset everything. People that thing That’s not real have no idea what they are talking about. It’s just incredible

Who the F wants to do that though????? Hahaha

 

[BCEAGLES44]

Rbc 6.88
Hemoglobin 18.9
Hematocrit 57
Ferritin 12
200mg test per week

This was a perfect storm
Of shit very stressfull
5-6 months everything can and did go wrong did.

Contemplated dropping down to 70-80mg a week but part of me things i need a full restart and not trying to get things in line while still adding in the test.

Can’t donate because the ferritin is tanked and it seems donating always has a rebound effect for me and ferritin still gets tanked.

I still have alot of fat to lose and i was going to come off for 6-10 weeks depending on bloods. What do you think

How long have you been using 200mg test per week?
Once a week or multiple?
Have you ever been checked for or know if you have sleep apnea?
I agree with the others who recommend against frequent blood donations.

 

[hollaatyaboyy1]

How long have you been using 200mg test per week?
Once a week or multiple?
Have you ever been checked for or know if you have sleep apnea?
I agree with the others who recommend against frequent blood donations.

Several months. And frequency was all fucked up