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Competion Prep after 6 years lay off

raizer

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So it is time to put things into higher gear and start training and living a bodybuilders lifestyle yet again.
I have been meaning to do this already 2 years ago but always some injuries where stopping me ( i will talk about this later in the thread).
Doing this competition ( which wil take place in november 2017) is a big target for me not only because of multiple injuries but also because i was pretty much not realy serieus about diet and training for 5 years and was off everything except low HRT ( 150 mg testosterone/week and 2 i.u GH/day).
Tomorrow i wil start a cycle which will last anything between 16-20 weeks. My goal in this fase is to recomp my body from being a fat ugly fuck ( ok maybe ugly wont change) to a acceptabel off season bodybuilder.
Current status:
-weight: 225 pounds/ 102 kg
-Height: 5 foot 10 inch/ 178 cm
-Fat %: 18%

Diet:
-Protein: 300 grams
-Carbs: 250 grams
-Fat: 120 grams
More about actual diet later in this thread. Feel free to ask questions guys.

Training:
I wil train 6 days in the week training every muscle group 3 times a week. just like with diet i wil come back to this during the thread towards the competion log.

Supplements, All MTS:
Before i write down the cycle just wanted to say that this is not my recomendation to anyone it is just my experiense what works best for me in regard that i have really a poor receptor affinitty to all medications.
- 700-1000 mg primo
- 700 mg trenbolone ac
- 700 mg Npp
- 500 mg masteron prop
- 700 mg test enath
- 50 mg anapolon before training for the first 6 weeks
- 6 i.u G.H

I took some starting pictures and wil take them every 3-4 weeks to monitor the progresss but the before pictures i wil post a bit later because i have to feel and look better to be able to post those shitty form pictures.
Ok guys thats it for the moment. As always suggestions, questions and critisism ( good or bad), are welkom.

I want to thank MTS to give me this great opportunity and everyone who will follow this thread.
 

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thats a TON of gear , depending on what you have been doing cycle wise you can probably drop a shit ton of fat and gain a ton of muscle making a total recomp.!!

Im kind of in the same situation , been out of the competition live style for several year , only been on TRT for the last 4 years. Sitting on a stock pile of stuff just have to much personal shit going on , i can't rightly invest the money for gear , coach and food to put a half ass effort into training due to time restrictions.

Anyway , I'll get the broken record out of the way first.
INVEST IN A PREP COACH

Then I'd start my cycle off lower and ramp it up , this shoumd allow you to steadily lean out with out cutting calories and probably adding some
personally I'd start with equal doses of test , mast , tren and primo , say 400mg a week then every few week add 100mg each (maybe add 200mg primo) , run your HGH 2iu 3x a day (every 8 hrs) should have you into a fat burning machine.!!!
 

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Huge amount of gear there. Hope it is at least a national level show you are shooting for. I never quite understood needing a coach. Loosing weight and growing muscle on AS isn't the hardest thing to do. Just requires eating and training with consistency. After reading the forums and some other sources a person should have a fair idea of what is needed. When I was competing in the 90's there was much less info easily available, but people were getting in great shape on there own.
 

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So it is time to put things into higher gear and start training and living a bodybuilders lifestyle yet again.
I have been meaning to do this already 2 years ago but always some injuries where stopping me ( i will talk about this later in the thread).
Doing this competition ( which wil take place in november 2017) is a big target for me not only because of multiple injuries but also because i was pretty much not realy serieus about diet and training for 5 years and was off everything except low HRT ( 150 mg testosterone/week and 2 i.u GH/day).
Tomorrow i wil start a cycle which will last anything between 16-20 weeks. My goal in this fase is to recomp my body from being a fat ugly fuck ( ok maybe ugly wont change) to a acceptabel off season bodybuilder.
Current status:
-weight: 225 pounds/ 102 kg
-Height: 5 foot 10 inch/ 178 cm
-Fat %: 18%

Diet:
-Protein: 300 grams
-Carbs: 250 grams
-Fat: 120 grams
More about actual diet later in this thread. Feel free to ask questions guys.

Training:
I wil train 6 days in the week training every muscle group 3 times a week. just like with diet i wil come back to this during the thread towards the competion log.

Supplements, All MTS:
Before i write down the cycle just wanted to say that this is not my recomendation to anyone it is just my experiense what works best for me in regard that i have really a poor receptor affinitty to all medications.
- 700-1000 mg primo
- 700 mg trenbolone ac
- 700 mg Npp
- 500 mg masteron prop
- 700 mg test enath
- 50 mg anapolon before training for the first 6 weeks
- 6 i.u G.H

I took some starting pictures and wil take them every 3-4 weeks to monitor the progresss but the before pictures i wil post a bit later because i have to feel and look better to be able to post those shitty form pictures.
Ok guys thats it for the moment. As always suggestions, questions and critisism ( good or bad), are welkom.

I want to thank MTS to give me this great opportunity and everyone who will follow this thread.

Let me get this straight, you went from 150 MG of Test and 2 IUs of GH to at least 3200 MG of gear? That is just fucking crazy. I will tell you why. First, you are fat right now. Let's break it down. Your lean Body mass is 184 pounds. That would put you under 200 pounds for a show. Then, you haven't been consistent, hence no body mass for your height to compete in any Body Building show. If you are doing Physique, no guy in physique needs to take that much gear, just ridiculous. Nevermind taking 6 IUs of GH can spike your insulin levels to verge of diabetic. Yep, you need to stabilize your blood sugars. Never mind it will have adverse effects on TSH levels. You ever get bloodwork to even know where you are at? My advise is to be consistent first, all those drugs will not substitute consistency in proper eating and training. You are just one a one way course to health destruction.
 

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ugly is VERY HARD to fix....

:)

(oh I see what you did there)

:cool:
 
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Let me get this straight, you went from 150 MG of Test and 2 IUs of GH to at least 3200 MG of gear? That is just fucking crazy. I will tell you why. First, you are fat right now. Let's break it down. Your lean Body mass is 184 pounds. That would put you under 200 pounds for a show. Then, you haven't been consistent, hence no body mass for your height to compete in any Body Building show. If you are doing Physique, no guy in physique needs to take that much gear, just ridiculous. Nevermind taking 6 IUs of GH can spike your insulin levels to verge of diabetic. Yep, you need to stabilize your blood sugars. Never mind it will have adverse effects on TSH levels. You ever get bloodwork to even know where you are at? My advise is to be consistent first, all those drugs will not substitute consistency in proper eating and training. You are just one a one way course to health destruction.

:yeahthat:

What the hell is wrong with people these days....

Go from a big layoff to wanting to blast 3+ grams of gear and compete!?! :banghead:

Is there no buildup phase anymore..which would be the logical thing to do. You know train hard for a few years and get in great shape..run a few cycles..get stronger etc.

Nope its just the "right into it all" mentality, that is so common now and days.
 

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Everyone said it already. Too much gear. Why don't you start with

500 test
400 Tren E
400 primo
HGH

that's it. Then replace E with A later on.

Pinning gets so damn old. Especially that you'll have to do it EOD with whatever you're running
 
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I like gunsmiths idea personally. Start small and when you stall in progress then increase. That's how I would do it personally. Save you money and lots of pokes!
 

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Let me get this straight, you went from 150 MG of Test and 2 IUs of GH to at least 3200 MG of gear? That is just fucking crazy. I will tell you why. First, you are fat right now. Let's break it down. Your lean Body mass is 184 pounds. That would put you under 200 pounds for a show. Then, you haven't been consistent, hence no body mass for your height to compete in any Body Building show. If you are doing Physique, no guy in physique needs to take that much gear, just ridiculous. Nevermind taking 6 IUs of GH can spike your insulin levels to verge of diabetic. Yep, you need to stabilize your blood sugars. Never mind it will have adverse effects on TSH levels. You ever get bloodwork to even know where you are at? My advise is to be consistent first, all those drugs will not substitute consistency in proper eating and training. You are just one a one way course to health destruction.
Hmmm, I take 5-6 iu of GH per day without insulin. Can that dose really F me up in the long run?
 

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Let me clear this ton of gear.
First of all i don't recommend this to anyone. All of my clients who do i coach for comp, use way way less. It is not really about how much you use but how much you need. People who get away with 1gr gear i would-be never recommend them use more, but there are still people who are really bad responders to gear and other medication. Let me give you a example, i have astma for a long, long time. From begin on from childhood my doctor and other physitions and specialist had to Threat me with double and some medication triple the normal amount. When i sufferd a nerve damage medication was triple the normal amount. When i was younger, sometimes i was drinking hard liquer and after 1 bottle Large bottle i was not even drunk.
So these amount are not really high for ME and these are the the best choises again for ME.
Anyway this is A comp log and it would be a shame that it turns into drug intake preaching
Thank you guys for all the interest en Lets keep this a total comp log with training, diet supplement and yes also gear use. I look forward to your feedback and comments!
 

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Hmmm, I take 5-6 iu of GH per day without insulin. Can that dose really F me up in the long run?
How can anyone determine that without proper blood work? I suggest you check if your sugars are high and your TSH levels. I would never suggest Insulin.
 

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How can anyone determine that without proper blood work? I suggest you check if your sugars are high and your TSH levels. I would never suggest Insulin.
You cant determine if GH is causing real damage without any blood sugar control. Some people wil develop diabetic symptoms from 2 i.u. and some wont from 10 i.u.
Anyway i recommend everyone at least 4 to 6 times a complete blood work every year.
And most important off all be smart about your diet with or without G.H and insulin.
With proper diet not only that you maximize your results but also you will protect yourself from great deal of side effects what gear brings.
And about insulin, well it have its place in recovery and muscle composition for sure, just make sure you use it smartly;)
 

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How can anyone determine that without proper blood work? I suggest you check if your sugars are high and your TSH levels. I would never suggest Insulin.
Maybe you should take a look at this video [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiuZ9Jd89Jw"]Insulin Applications in Bodybuilding feat. Colette Nelson - YouTube[/ame]
 

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If you can be on 150 mg Hrt and that keeps you at normal levels then imo you should start with a third of that. Is this going to be one big cycle? Tren. NPP anadrol, primo, mast, I understand stacking works for most. But are you bulking. Cutting. expecting the compounds to bulk and cut.

I get there are a lot of guys on the web that put up some crazy crazy stack. Every compound known is used. Then they post up amazing transformation pics. I don't wanna say names. But even these guys used way too much.

Start lower. Get bloods. Raise if needed. Imo ur better off doing test NPP and one other compound. Then later a second cycle. For the Tren.
Your body can only utilize so much. Just asking for sides that can be avoided.
Best of luck. On what you decide.
 

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Let me clear this ton of gear.
First of all i don't recommend this to anyone. All of my clients who do i coach for comp, use way way less. It is not really about how much you use but how much you need. People who get away with 1gr gear i would-be never recommend them use more, but there are still people who are really bad responders to gear and other medication. Let me give you a example, i have astma for a long, long time. From begin on from childhood my doctor and other physitions and specialist had to Threat me with double and some medication triple the normal amount. When i sufferd a nerve damage medication was triple the normal amount. When i was younger, sometimes i was drinking hard liquer and after 1 bottle Large bottle i was not even drunk.
So these amount are not really high for ME and these are the the best choises again for ME.
Anyway this is A comp log and it would be a shame that it turns into drug intake preaching
Thank you guys for all the interest en Lets keep this a total comp log with training, diet supplement and yes also gear use. I look forward to your feedback and comments!
if it took me 3 grams of gear to "respond" properly to AAS, i'd find another hobby. just my .02
 

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If you can be on 150 mg Hrt and that keeps you at normal levels then imo you should start with a third of that. Is this going to be one big cycle? Tren. NPP anadrol, primo, mast, I understand stacking works for most. But are you bulking. Cutting. expecting the compounds to bulk and cut.

I get there are a lot of guys on the web that put up some crazy crazy stack. Every compound known is used. Then they post up amazing transformation pics. I don't wanna say names. But even these guys used way too much.

Start lower. Get bloods. Raise if needed. Imo ur better off doing test NPP and one other compound. Then later a second cycle. For the Tren.
Your body can only utilize so much. Just asking for sides that can be avoided.
Best of luck. On what you decide.
Wel that is also one point, i said i was on 150mg test but i didnt said that it did keep me at normal levels. Every time i had a blood work it came to a low level, just enough to keep me sane in the head but nothing else. To keep it at normal level i would need around 350-400 mg/ week. I have talk to TRT specialist and he said that there are plenty of people who need up to 400 mg of test that their blood levels fall in to normal, but that doesnt mean it would be the healty choise.
About why so many compounds. Wel after years of using i find out that the best way ( yes health wise ) would be to ran these compounds in these amounts. I tried also 2,5 grams of test with 1 gram of boldone or deca but that really didnt go wel with me.
And to clear it this cycle is a recomp cycle not a bulk or cut. Goal is to stay arround the same weight and go down to 8% fat.
 

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if it took me 3 grams of gear to "respond" properly to AAS, i'd find another hobby. just my .02
Ok let me ask you one thing. If you would need 10000kcal just to maintain your bodyweight would you also find another hobby? Or you really really like your new sports car, and it uses a lot of gas what wil you do not drive it?
It is not like i wake up and enjoy that i need to use so much gear to respond!
Yes i could choose not to use so much and relax, but i decided to do this competition and this is what it takes to do it, end of story.
Once there wil be no ambition in me i wil go back to HRT ( this time what higher ) and try to keep as much as possible of my gains.
 

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Quick question: how do you know that you're some what of a low-responder after only running TRT for 5 years? That's what you said right?

IMO, ANYTHING over 150 test you're going to respond amazing to after that long a lay off. This "well i need this much and everyone responds differently" would be a great excuse if you had consistently run cycles like this the past 5 years. But it sounds like you're coming off of a lonnnggg break.
 

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Let me clear this ton of gear.
First of all i don't recommend this to anyone. All of my clients who do i coach for comp, use way way less. It is not really about how much you use but how much you need. People who get away with 1gr gear i would-be never recommend them use more, but there are still people who are really bad responders to gear and other medication. Let me give you a example, i have astma for a long, long time. From begin on from childhood my doctor and other physitions and specialist had to Threat me with double and some medication triple the normal amount. When i sufferd a nerve damage medication was triple the normal amount. When i was younger, sometimes i was drinking hard liquer and after 1 bottle Large bottle i was not even drunk.
So these amount are not really high for ME and these are the the best choises again for ME.
Anyway this is A comp log and it would be a shame that it turns into drug intake preaching
Thank you guys for all the interest en Lets keep this a total comp log with training, diet supplement and yes also gear use. I look forward to your feedback and comments!
Let's say for a second that what you're saying about needing more to get the "desired" effect is true, in no way does that mean that the negative side effects will be any less...if fact, I would imagine that the negative side effects would effect you like anyone else...so, more gear = more negative side effects.

Personally, I think this is nonsense....you're 5'10 225lbs on 3+ grams of gear...here's the real answer...you do not in any way have the genetics to be a bodybuilder...NONE! Part of the genetic component of being a bodybuilder is responding well to the drugs. This is where so many people get it wrong these days...they're like you and take 3+ grams and don't get anywhere near looking like a competitive bodybuilder, so they think every national level and pro must be on 7-10 grams of gear...anybody doing ridiculous amounts like that have no business trying to compete.
 

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