Competitive Bodybuilding at a high level

[traininsane11]

I was really pointing towards what Eddie had been advised to do if he wanted to improve to his physique enough to place higher in the pro ranks and what OTHER pros as opposed to MOST pros were doing.
Arguing over nothing really apart from neither of us being particularly clear.

Kuba Cielen recently said a top Olympia coach suggested he run

3.5g test
1.5g parabolan
100mg dbol/day
100mg anadrol/day

And this was way early in his career I think before he turned pro so who knows what it would be now maybe closer to 7g injectables

There’s guys out there at the top level and all the way down doing this and probs more but I think there’s many more in the 2-4g range from what I’ve seen and heard at least

 

[Blueballs]

Kuba Cielen recently said a top Olympia coach suggested he run

3.5g test
1.5g parabolan
100mg dbol/day
100mg anadrol/day

And this was way early in his career I think before he turned pro so who knows what it would be now maybe closer to 7g injectables

There’s guys out there at the top level and all the way down doing this and probs more but I think there’s many more in the 2-4g range from what I’ve seen and heard at least

Ive seen that YT vid mate. I think these mega doses are more common than people realise and maybe suggested to those struggling to place in the pro ranks like Kuba and Eddie.

 

[traininsane11]

Ive seen that YT vid mate. I think these mega doses are more common than people realise and maybe suggested to those struggling to place in the pro ranks like Kuba and Eddie.

Yeah I would think so. The top top tier genetic responders won’t need to push it anywhere near as hard but the further down the ranks you go the more likely you’ll find guys who do

I’ve always said genetics in regards to gear and being able to get far

Gold standard: be able to respond amazingly to a relatively very small amount

Silver: be able to tolerate high dosages for years

Wooden spoon: respond poorly and get wrecked with side effects

 

[hawkmoon]

Yeah I would think so. The top top tier genetic responders won’t need to push it anywhere near as hard but the further down the ranks you go the more likely you’ll find guys who do

I’ve always said genetics in regards to gear and being able to get far

Gold standard: be able to respond amazingly to a relatively very small amount

Silver: be able to tolerate high dosages for years

Wooden spoon: respond poorly and get wrecked with side effects

Great way to put it. And most of the top guys are a drawer full of gold spoons.

From gear response and resiliency to muscle bellies and insertions, bodyfat distribution, mental toughness and ability to consistently overperform, etc.

People also need to know that no amount of pharmaceutical alchemy will transform wood to gold either.

 

[Neuro1234]

People also need to know that no amount of pharmaceutical alchemy will transform wood to gold either.

pharmaceutical alchemy is going to be the name of the next sponsor the joins.

I think this a genuine reality that most of us have to face. Even if all your boxes are checked… we still might not have the innate tools to be a pro level at anything.

This is where you, @TheOtherOne55, and @bbxtreme have taught me the most. If you’re not doing this for love of the day in and day out you will most like be unsatisfied with the result.

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

militant consistency overtime, work ethic, genetics (insertions, shape), genetic response to training, genetic response to drugs

 

[KingOfSushi]

I’m honestly not really sure what this post is asking?

I keep doing this because ticking all those boxes every day is satisfying to me. Even on the hard days when I don’t particularly enjoy it in the moment, I still get satisfaction out of doing them because I know the greater goal I have at hand.

If I didn’t get that out of bodybuilding, I just wouldn’t do it then. At least not to the level of commitment and intensity I currently pursue it.

 

[Blueballs]

People also need to know that no amount of pharmaceutical alchemy will transform wood to gold either.

I’ve been told there’s an old comic book that’s been in circulation circa 2000 years which tells a story of some lad who lived in the Middle East who supposedly turned water into wine. Maybe there are still a number of people in this day and age who read this comic and believe these type fairy stories.

 

[specter]

pharmaceutical alchemy is going to be the name of the next sponsor the joins.

I think this a genuine reality that most of us have to face. Even if all your boxes are checked… we still might not have the innate tools to be a pro level at anything.

This is where you, @TheOtherOne55, and @bbxtreme have taught me the most. If you’re not doing this for love of the day in and day out you will most like be unsatisfied with the result.

 

[KingOfSushi]

I’ve been told there’s an old comic book that’s been in circulation circa 2000 years which tells a story of some lad who lived in the Middle East who supposedly turned water into wine. Maybe there are still a number of people in this day and age who read this comic and believe these type fairy stories.

What on earth was the point of this comment lol

 

[Mute]

I think a common problem that will continue to grow esp with social media is that a lot of people with still have the mindset that more drugs will get them a specific look on or off stage, when in reality they’re not taking into consideration of the sleep, recovery, bloodwork etc to ensure that their bodies continue to be the well working machines that they are.

 

[Blueballs]

I’ve been told there’s an old comic book that’s been in circulation circa 2000 years which tells a story of some lad who lived in the Middle East who supposedly turned water into wine. Maybe there are still a number of people in this day and age who read this comic and believe these type fairy stories.

If you read what I quoted I was suggesting that a lot of people will believe all sorts of bullshit ie ‘that people need to know that no amount of pharmaceutical alchemy will turn wood into gold’.
I was just in the mood to tell a little story whilst sitting on the toilet having my morning poo.

 

[Blueballs]

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[FutureMade]

Genetics play a big part in bodybuilding either you have it or you don’t

 

[Anabolic_Pound_Cake]

I thought my question(s) was/were clear. Apologies that it was not.

Essentially, I was curious your journeys on this bodybuilding path. And how it's affected you. Particularly, specifically the mental side.

How have you avoided burnout ? Do you truly believe in what you're doing ? Are you aware of the potential downsides ? Etc. Competitive bodybuilding at a high-level means more than just lifting weights and eating meal and after. It requires a very, *very mindset.

This was the point of my post. Not " What cycle does this ? ", " What cycle are you on ? ", " How many calories do you eat ? ". Those things mean very little when you don't have your mental stuff together.

 

[traininsane11]

Genetics play a big part in bodybuilding either you have it or you don’t

Anymore insightful revelations?

 

[FrenchBench22]

I thought my question(s) was/were clear. Apologies that it was not.

Essentially, I was curious your journeys on this bodybuilding path. And how it's affected you. Particularly, specifically the mental side.

How have you avoided burnout ? Do you truly believe in what you're doing ? Are you aware of the potential downsides ? Etc. Competitive bodybuilding at a high-level means more than just lifting weights and eating meal and after. It requires a very, *very mindset.

This was the point of my post. Not " What cycle does this ? ", " What cycle are you on ? ", " How many calories do you eat ? ". Those things mean very little when you don't have your mental stuff together.

You do not seem to understand.

How to avoid burnout?
We don't. Do you get burnt out listening to your favorite music or spending time with your favorite people? No, you do it because you love it. Training, pursuing a cut or growth phase, prepping for competition, trying to get stronger, trying to improve endurance, trying to be better than yesterday - these are no different. We do it because we love it.

Do you believe in what you're doing?
A devout Catholic doesn't attend mass because they've convinced themselves it is truth, they do because they believe in their faith deep in themselves regardless of what anyone else has to say. Even without the church or a priest, they would still pray and execute their faith. Pursuing training, body goals, strength goals, etc. are no different.

Are you aware of potential downsides?
Training can be dangerous and it's an accepted risk, and we educate ourselves and take precautions to train safely. Driving can be dangerous but it's an accepted risk, and we educate ourselves and take precautions to drive safely. Using PEDs can be dangerous and it's accepted risk, and we educate ourselves and take precautions to use them safely. Some people don't, whether it's training/driving/PEDs/sex/etc, and they learn the hard way or get lucky and go unscathed.

These things have been clear by many of the responses you have received. You asking these questions presents as though you have doubt within yourself and pursue it in commitment - not in passion.

 

[fisther69]

I think the most obvious and important thing is a decent multivitamin..after that you can lift weights or some of your want to..but I can’t imagine lifting weights would work too much for hypertrophy

 

[alfresco]

You do not seem to understand.

How to avoid burnout?
We don't. Do you get burnt out listening to your favorite music or spending time with your favorite people? No, you do it because you love it. Training, pursuing a cut or growth phase, prepping for competition, trying to get stronger, trying to improve endurance, trying to be better than yesterday - these are no different. We do it because we love it.

Do you believe in what you're doing?
A devout Catholic doesn't attend mass because they've convinced themselves it is truth, they do because they believe in their faith deep in themselves regardless of what anyone else has to say. Even without the church or a priest, they would still pray and execute their faith. Pursuing training, body goals, strength goals, etc. are no different.

Are you aware of potential downsides?
Training can be dangerous and it's an accepted risk, and we educate ourselves and take precautions to train safely. Driving can be dangerous but it's an accepted risk, and we educate ourselves and take precautions to drive safely. Using PEDs can be dangerous and it's accepted risk, and we educate ourselves and take precautions to use them safely. Some people don't, whether it's training/driving/PEDs/sex/etc, and they learn the hard way or get lucky and go unscathed.

These things have been clear by many of the responses you have received. You asking these questions presents as though you have doubt within yourself and pursue it in commitment - not in passion.

We don’t talk about religion here. It’s a slippery slope.

 

[Siggy]

Genetics play a big part in bodybuilding either you have it or you don’t

Thanks for the incredible commentary, Primezilla.