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Could adding novadex xt hurt pct ?

JonnyTest

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I am 1 week into my pct of nolvadex and I was given a bottle of novadex xt by gaspari and was just curious if it would help anything adding it or if it would be a bad idea ?
 

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my pct is always like that:
1-14 100mg clomid ed/tamox 40mg
15-28 50mg clomid ed/tamox 20mg
 
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I am 1 week into my pct of nolvadex and I was given a bottle of novadex xt by gaspari and was just curious if it would help anything adding it or if it would be a bad idea ?
No, it won't hurt. It certainly won't cover PCT like Clomid/Aromasin/HCG will but it won't hurt anything. It's a pretty potent estrogen blocker and it will help stimulate natural test production so it's what you want during PCT...just not strong enough by itself. I don't know that it would make a lot of sense to add that into an appropriate PCT already in place....what are you using currently?
 

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I am using nolvadex/tamox...40/40/20/20, I used hcg throughout. I'm asking if adding novadex xt would be bad, it is an OTC by gaspari nutrition. Certainly not the same thing but could it be of some use ? It was free....
 

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but why you want to use both? let tamox run alone man.

this supplement is nothing but legal ai's...

if i were you, i wouldnt run this sup.

hope it helps:lightbulb:
 

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I am using nolvadex/tamox...40/40/20/20, I used hcg throughout. I'm asking if adding novadex xt would be bad, it is an OTC by gaspari nutrition. Certainly not the same thing but could it be of some use ? It was free....
It wouldn't be bad but it wouldn't be very beneficial either. You need to get some clomid. You're covering 2/3 of recovery with the nolva/HCG but you need the last piece!

I'd personally keep the OTC stuff and use it in case of emergency as an AI (would only work on a fairly low dose of test, not anything crazy) in case you had nothing else on hand.
 

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maybe you can get and run some TT's along with tamox.

but i prefer the SERMs way.
 

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I have read that you don't need to run clomid & nolva... Not true ? I do have some clomid I just didnt think it was necessary, I was just thinking about throwing in the XT invade it would help a little, I guess I should have added it to my cycle...
 

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I have read that you don't need to run clomid & nolva... Not true ? I do have some clomid I just didnt think it was necessary, I was just thinking about throwing in the XT invade it would help a little, I guess I should have added it to my cycle...
has a lot ways to do a pct.....the most used is SERMs..
but you can add tt on your pct.

i always use serms and after the pct i run some tt, (between cycle).

take care
 

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NOLVADEX XT IS CRAP IN MHO..THE CLOMID IS A MUST
Can you explain why clomid is a must. How many pct's have you done and have they all had clomid in?
 

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Whats tt ? Never heard of it...... I just thought adding a test booster to the Nolva would help things out, sense thats what im trying to do is boost my natural test back up, i would never even think about running just some otc for pct, i just thought that it might aid a little in what im trying to do.... Clomid is not a Must.... from my understanding most people choose nolva over clomid, its stronger on a mg per mg basis, doesnt cause the blurry vision and depression isnt an issue...... Forklift needs to do more research....
 
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it works to boost testosterone ....i used Inhibit-e and my test levels were double normal

inhibit-e= same stuff as gaspari
 

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hmmmmm

I see... But i dont want to boost my test levels above normal, just help my body get my levels back to normal, if i wanted to boost them i would just take some Test you know ?

Still the question remains of it would help restore hpta
 

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Whats tt ? Never heard of it...... I just thought adding a test booster to the Nolva would help things out, sense thats what im trying to do is boost my natural test back up, i would never even think about running just some otc for pct, i just thought that it might aid a little in what im trying to do.... Clomid is not a Must.... from my understanding most people choose nolva over clomid, its stronger on a mg per mg basis, doesnt cause the blurry vision and depression isnt an issue...... Forklift needs to do more research....
Nolva/HCG would certainly work for PCT but in my opinion not as well as aromasin/clomid/HCG. First off, unless you're using a suicidal inhibitor during cycle, you've still got a ton of estrogen floating around in your system. Why not run a suicidal AI during PCT also, all but eliminating the possibility of rebound gyno? Clomid is weaker mg for mg than nolva, you are correct, but clomid stimulates LH/FSH production which quickly elevates natural test production and can help mitigate losses coming off cycle.


Clomiphene Citrate Effects on Testosterone/Estrogen Ratio in Male Hypogonadism

Ahmad Shabsigh, MD 1 , Young Kang, MD 1 , Ridwan Shabsign, MD 1 , Mark Gonzalez, MD 1 , Gary Liberson, MD 1 , Harry Fisch, MD 1 , and Erik Goluboff, MD 1
1 Department of Urology, NY Presbyterian Medical Center, New York, NY, USA
Correspondence to Harry Fisch, MD, 944 Park Ave, New York, NY 10020, USA. Tel: 212-879-0800; Fax: 212-988-1634; E-mail: [email protected]
Copyright Blackwell Publishing Ltd 2005

ABSTRACT

Aim. Symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism is associated not only with a decline in serum testosterone, but also with a rise in serum estradiol. These endocrine changes negatively affect libido, sexual function, mood, behavior, lean body mass, and bone density. Currently, the most common treatment is exogenous testostosterone therapy. This treatment can be associated with skin irritation, gynecomastia, nipple tenderness, testicular atrophy, and decline in sperm counts. In this study we investigated the efficacy of clomiphene citrate in the treatment of hypogonadism with the objectives of raising endogenous serum testosterone (T) and improving the testosterone/estrogen (T/E) ratio.

Methods. Our cohort consisted of 36 Caucasian men with hypogonadism defined as serum testosterone level less than 300 ng/dL. Each patient was treated with a daily dose of 25 mg clomiphene citrate and followed prospectively. Analysis of baseline and follow-up serum levels of testosterone and estradiol levels were performed.

Results. The mean age was 39 years, and the mean pretreatment testosterone and estrogen levels were 247.6 ± 39.8 ng/dL and 32.3 ± 10.9, respectively. By the first follow-up visit (4–6 weeks), the mean testosterone level rose to 610.0 ± 178.6 ng/dL (P < 0.00001). Moreover, the T/E ratio improved from 8.7 to 14.2 (P < 0.001). There were no side effects reported by the patients.

Conclusions. Low dose clomiphene citrate is effective in elevating serum testosterone levels and improving the testosterone/estadiol ratio in men with hypogonadism. This therapy represents an alternative to testosterone therapy by stimulating the endogenous androgen production pathway. Shabsigh A, Kang Y, Shabsign R, Gonzalez M, Liberson G, Fisch H, and Goluboff E. Clomiphene citrate effects on testosterone/estrogen ratio in male hypogonadism. J Sex Med 2005;2:716–721.


Note the small dosages in the study above...25/mg daily. During PCT it's recommended to go (daily during these weeks) 100/100/100/50/50/50mgs daily. This in conjunction with HCG will cause the fastest rise in natural testosterone production.... Clomid FTW!
 

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Nobody ever said it didnt work......To each his own, i choose Nolva over Clomid...
 

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