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Covid-19 Experience

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Like governments have done in the past, notice how they very carefully word things.

Closing schools and gyms, then closing businesses because "social distancing" and that term got a nerdy connotation now they are saying "mitigation measures"

Gorge Orwell was a prophet.
 
Mike, you REALLLY think this secret leftish army told CNN and MSNBC to knowingly post a fake video?
C'mon man. News stories have shitty/questionable sources all the time. They post wrong pictures of dead celebrities and flub their words.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a grand scheme to vilify the Turkish government.

Noooooo. please don’t get him going:)
 
For anyone who cares to read, these are all great articles/graphs that go against the hysteria:

First link is an example (again) of the media simply faking what is going on (using exact Italian footage for and acting like it is in New York). It's already been talked about in this thread it looks like.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...mQdpwO9doxCVPQmYuuPvzH2V2sX4Yw_azKGme2CJNYK2M

Second link is an interactive graph from CDC's own website that shows there is nothing abnormal about the amount of deaths this time of year, but, strangely enough, influenza and pneumonia deaths are down this year.....hmmm...play with the graph and you will see it is true. They are substituting one for the other. California is actually DOWN 2000 deaths a day. "So what does this interactive map reveal? For one, it reveals that there are not more dead bodies, so please discredit any media organization that is telling you that there are overwhelming deaths.
This map also reveals that the biggest question that any respectable journalist should be asking is— why did everyone suddenly stop dying from pneumonia and the flu? If the coronavirus rate is really increasing “exponentially” as they’ve been telling us— shouldn’t death rate be higher by now? Why is is it getting lower?
Is it possible that people with the flu and pneumonia are now having their deaths recorded as “coronavirus”. My instincts tells me that Covid-19 isn’t nearly as deadly as they say. My instincts also tell me that it’s been here in America since before January.
My instincts tell me that if it truly was as deadly as they say— there would be mass graveyards built in Bangladesh and India right now where millions of refugees are now walking alongside the road because the railroad system was shut down."


https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/m...FHd2OPOT-MpIOYPih2Cnlx_ThZjvBQsAxTHJmRoxpX9gg

Next link:
"Foremost, in NYC, Approximately 419 people die every single day, without coronavirus. This is about 153,000 people per a year, or one person every 9 minutes. The suggestion that an extra 5 deaths a day this year has caused a crisis is foolish." The issue with New York's hospitals has been one for awhile now by their own making.

https://citylimits.org/2017/01/04/h...knCWoSCgeDydQO5K17w1bCv7vrv_chhqa6V7BfYfjPyDY

Next link. The deaths are not being counted correctly in the least and still they are far from being worthy of the hysteria.
"It should be noted that there is no international standard method for attributing or recording causes of death. Also, normally, most respiratory deaths never have a specific infective cause recorded, whereas at the moment we can expect all positive COVID-19 results associated with a death to be recorded. Again, this is not splitting hairs. Imagine a population where more and more of us have already had COVID-19, and where every ill and dying patient is tested for the virus. The deaths apparently due to COVID-19, the COVID trajectory, will approach the overall death rate. It would appear that all deaths were caused by COVID-19 — would this be true? No. The severity of the epidemic would be indicated by how many extra deaths (above normal) there were overall."

https://spectator.us/understand-rep...mNjk4oIW71zACyokQ9b6oQE5s9XZp-bDxJ3VQn7_xPs5w


Next link will be general information type.
"The moral debate is not lives vs money. It is lives vs lives. It will take months, perhaps years, if ever, before we can assess the wider implications of what we are doing. The damage to children’s education, the excess suicides, the increase in mental health problems, the taking away of resources from other health problems that we were dealing with effectively. Those who need medical help now but won’t seek it, or might not be offered it. And what about the effects on food production and global commerce, that will have unquantifiable consequences for people of all ages, perhaps especially in developing economies?"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article...HIkHEd_mkW64YXonJxOg-_BW2wTp2nYFi7qCs2zjxWUTU


Good synopsis article that brings together a lot of the above and relates it to our freedoms/rights.

"Now, if you want a scientist who does not support Government policy, the most impressive of these is Prof Sucharit Bhakdi. If you desire experts, he is one.

He is an infectious medicine specialist, one of the most highly cited medical research scientists in Germany. He was head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology at the Johannes Gutenberg University of Mainz, one of Germany’s most distinguished seats of learning.

In a recent interview he had many uncomplimentary things to say about the shutdown policy being pursued by so many countries (there is a link on my blog to the interview, and a transcription).

But perhaps the most powerful was his reply to the suggestion that the closedown of society would save lives. He argued the contrary, saying this policy was ‘grotesque, absurd and very dangerous’.

He warned: ‘Our elderly citizens have every right to make efforts not to belong to the 2,200 [in Germany] who daily embark on their last journey. Social contacts and social events, theatre and music, travel and holiday recreation, sports and hobbies all help to prolong their stay on Earth. The life expectancy of millions is being shortened.’

He also gave this warning: ‘The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people.

‘The consequences for medical care are profound. Already services to patients who are in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...9Fm0HjILGjgh-ugRd4yCHDLqD4n2Iyhbj7u8umcN_twZM

More and more are seeing the truth, but not enough to fight back or stop what is happening and some of us at this point have no idea what to do as we haven't been in this position. 7/10 in my state believe the government mandates are necessary.


Next link is more doctors, etc. criticizing what is going on based on the actual numbers.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28...8TuL6D0H3cw4V5MAi0P_S6hwezFeZ3Kp8UYrs2EHGdi0Q
 
"For some people whose immune systems are compromised by age or for often-subtle genetic or environmental reasons, the normal immune response doesn’t retreat when it should. It goes into overdrive, leading to “a flood of immune cells into the lung.” This has a rapid cascading effect in the body."

Will Brink had some interesting comments on that the other day.

 
Looking more and more like this virus is airborne. Makes sense with how fast it is spreading.
 
For anyone who cares to read, these are all great articles/graphs that go against the hysteria:

First link is an example (again) of the media simply faking what is going on (using exact Italian footage for and acting like it is in New York). It's already been talked about in this thread it looks like.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...mQdpwO9doxCVPQmYuuPvzH2V2sX4Yw_azKGme2CJNYK2M

Second link is an interactive graph from CDC's own website that shows there is nothing abnormal about the amount of deaths this time of year, but, strangely enough, influenza and pneumonia deaths are down this year.....hmmm...play with the graph and you will see it is true. They are substituting one for the other. California is actually DOWN 2000 deaths a day. "So what does this interactive map reveal? For one, it reveals that there are not more dead bodies, so please discredit any media organization that is telling you that there are overwhelming deaths.
This map also reveals that the biggest question that any respectable journalist should be asking is— why did everyone suddenly stop dying from pneumonia and the flu? If the coronavirus rate is really increasing “exponentially” as they’ve been telling us— shouldn’t death rate be higher by now? Why is is it getting lower?
Is it possible that people with the flu and pneumonia are now having their deaths recorded as “coronavirus”. My instincts tells me that Covid-19 isn’t nearly as deadly as they say. My instincts also tell me that it’s been here in America since before January.
My instincts tell me that if it truly was as deadly as they say— there would be mass graveyards built in Bangladesh and India right now where millions of refugees are now walking alongside the road because the railroad system was shut down."


https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/m...FHd2OPOT-MpIOYPih2Cnlx_ThZjvBQsAxTHJmRoxpX9gg

Next link:
"Foremost, in NYC, Approximately 419 people die every single day, without coronavirus. This is about 153,000 people per a year, or one person every 9 minutes. The suggestion that an extra 5 deaths a day this year has caused a crisis is foolish." The issue with New York's hospitals has been one for awhile now by their own making.

https://citylimits.org/2017/01/04/h...knCWoSCgeDydQO5K17w1bCv7vrv_chhqa6V7BfYfjPyDY

Next link. The deaths are not being counted correctly in the least and still they are far from being worthy of the hysteria.
"It should be noted that there is no international standard method for attributing or recording causes of death. Also, normally, most respiratory deaths never have a specific infective cause recorded, whereas at the moment we can expect all positive COVID-19 results associated with a death to be recorded. Again, this is not splitting hairs. Imagine a population where more and more of us have already had COVID-19, and where every ill and dying patient is tested for the virus. The deaths apparently due to COVID-19, the COVID trajectory, will approach the overall death rate. It would appear that all deaths were caused by COVID-19 — would this be true? No. The severity of the epidemic would be indicated by how many extra deaths (above normal) there were overall."

https://spectator.us/understand-rep...mNjk4oIW71zACyokQ9b6oQE5s9XZp-bDxJ3VQn7_xPs5w


Next link will be general information type.
"The moral debate is not lives vs money. It is lives vs lives. It will take months, perhaps years, if ever, before we can assess the wider implications of what we are doing. The damage to children’s education, the excess suicides, the increase in mental health problems, the taking away of resources from other health problems that we were dealing with effectively. Those who need medical help now but won’t seek it, or might not be offered it. And what about the effects on food production and global commerce, that will have unquantifiable consequences for people of all ages, perhaps especially in developing economies?"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article...HIkHEd_mkW64YXonJxOg-_BW2wTp2nYFi7qCs2zjxWUTU


Good synopsis article that brings together a lot of the above and relates it to our freedoms/rights.

"Now, if you want a scientist who does not support Government policy, the most impressive of these is Prof Sucharit Bhakdi. If you desire experts, he is one.

He is an infectious medicine specialist, one of the most highly cited medical research scientists in Germany. He was head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology at the Johannes Gutenberg University of Mainz, one of Germany’s most distinguished seats of learning.

In a recent interview he had many uncomplimentary things to say about the shutdown policy being pursued by so many countries (there is a link on my blog to the interview, and a transcription).

But perhaps the most powerful was his reply to the suggestion that the closedown of society would save lives. He argued the contrary, saying this policy was ‘grotesque, absurd and very dangerous’.

He warned: ‘Our elderly citizens have every right to make efforts not to belong to the 2,200 [in Germany] who daily embark on their last journey. Social contacts and social events, theatre and music, travel and holiday recreation, sports and hobbies all help to prolong their stay on Earth. The life expectancy of millions is being shortened.’

He also gave this warning: ‘The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people.

‘The consequences for medical care are profound. Already services to patients who are in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...9Fm0HjILGjgh-ugRd4yCHDLqD4n2Iyhbj7u8umcN_twZM

More and more are seeing the truth, but not enough to fight back or stop what is happening and some of us at this point have no idea what to do as we haven't been in this position. 7/10 in my state believe the government mandates are necessary.


Next link is more doctors, etc. criticizing what is going on based on the actual numbers.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28...8TuL6D0H3cw4V5MAi0P_S6hwezFeZ3Kp8UYrs2EHGdi0Q

Very good post. I met another girl today who was a nurse, the first thing I asked her (without telling her my views() was do you think this thing is actually as serious as they are making it out to be? She said something like "to be 100 percent honest and blunt, its 100 percent over blown" and she is disgusted by the mass hysteria. I think she said they have 1 patient, this is on the east coast. Straight from the horses mouth. No nurse so far has said they are concerned about it only they have been forced to stock up on supplies.
 
Very good post. I met another girl today who was a nurse, the first thing I asked her (without telling her my views() was do you think this thing is actually as serious as they are making it out to be? She said something like "to be 100 percent honest and blunt, its 100 percent over blown" and she is disgusted by the mass hysteria. I think she said they have 1 patient, this is on the east coast. Straight from the horses mouth. No nurse so far has said they are concerned about it only they have been forced to stock up on supplies.
I posted in the other flu thread about my three family members who are all nurses in high density hospitals in SoCal and Utah and they‘re telling me the same thing. Not that I don’t believe some places are overwhelmed but they’ve got less than 10 C19 patients between them. I’m in Colorado and there’s rumors going around that the states exaggerated the #s. A county near me has one death but the states saying 6. Someone’s bullshitting.
 
Looking more and more like this virus is airborne. Makes sense with how fast it is spreading.

Two of my friends signed up to do security at a local hospital and one said that the infectious disease specialist he talked to today said that it was airborne. Now I'll be honest...we don't know what that necessarily means. Could that mean it's droplets float further before it hits the ground therefor it is considered airborne? Or does that mean the shit is floating about in the air? I'd really like to know and I don't know why the WHO and CDC are telling people they don't need to wear masks on the regular in public.
 
Very good post. I met another girl today who was a nurse, the first thing I asked her (without telling her my views() was do you think this thing is actually as serious as they are making it out to be? She said something like "to be 100 percent honest and blunt, its 100 percent over blown" and she is disgusted by the mass hysteria. I think she said they have 1 patient, this is on the east coast. Straight from the horses mouth. No nurse so far has said they are concerned about it only they have been forced to stock up on supplies.
My friend is a respiratory nurse. He offered to volunteer in New York where things are bad according to the news. He was told they don’t have a need for extra nurses.
The news is trying to insight fear and panic as always for ratings.
 
I'd really like to know and I don't know why the WHO and CDC are telling people they don't need to wear masks on the regular in public.
Yeah, that makes me angry. A news person was finally discussing that a few nights ago. I noticed that BS from the beginning. I think they were telling the public that so we wouldn't hoard masks. Supplies are low enough that hospitals are running out. It's bad enough that they were asking people to bring in any they have and donate to a hospital.

I'd like to think that if they told us the truth that US citizens would be reasonable about it. People would trust the government more if they were honest with us. Other governments like South Korea sure didnt tell lies like that. Most shots of people in many countries show people wearing n 95 masks, or lesser if they must. If the masks are so ineffective why are healthcare workers required to wear them!
 
If the masks are so ineffective why are healthcare workers required to wear them!

It helps prevent them from passing any disease that they may already have or got from another patient to the next person. Not necessarily to keep them from getting sick. Nurses and doctors have patients from the Flu to end stage cancer. Example: nurse catches the Flu virus from one patient and then give it to someone with a compromised immune system.
 
Now it looks like we may all be required to wear masks soon. Government is admitting that we were told not to wear masks because of the short supply. Protecting health care workers was number one priority. Sucks. But looking at the toilet paper issue you can understand why.
 
Now it looks like we may all be required to wear masks soon. Government is admitting that we were told not to wear masks because of the short supply. Protecting health care workers was number one priority. Sucks. But looking at the toilet paper issue you can understand why.

This may actually be good it will anger enough people and drive up distrust in the government and people will start to open their eyes and question everything

1. 3 of us, every nurse we have spoken to, says its BS
2. news showing fake footage claiming it to be "overcrowded hospital in NYC"
3. right before an election of a guy they have tried EVERYTHING to do to get rid of him
4. fake death stats, and possibly counting pneumonia and flu deaths towards the virus
5. they keep making it sound worse and worse as time goes on as people start to get angry (first it was just the old, then they say it hurts the young, first they say unhealthy people, now they report it kills healthy, now they say its airborne). < ---they ratchet up the fear knob progressively over time
6. Do anyone of us know anyone personally who has it? how convenient they tell people "don't get tested for it" "self quarantine". maybe they don't want all these positives to come back and people to report online "I got it I was 100% fine" or maybe they want to be very careful and not get caught determine "who has it" and "who doesn't" because they know someone or a test kit might slip up and they will have some explaining to do
7. that drug that started with an H, the controversy with it

The writing is on the wall none of this adds up
 
1- 2 million people would of died, lol rigghht. 100-240k could die, complete nonsense!!! those numbers are so high now if 50k people die everyone is a hero. high projections to strike fear to keep everyone inside possibly, who knows. i dont believe anything
 
This may actually be good it will anger enough people and drive up distrust in the government and people will start to open their eyes and question everything

1. 3 of us, every nurse we have spoken to, says its BS
2. news showing fake footage claiming it to be "overcrowded hospital in NYC"
3. right before an election of a guy they have tried EVERYTHING to do to get rid of him
4. fake death stats, and possibly counting pneumonia and flu deaths towards the virus
5. they keep making it sound worse and worse as time goes on as people start to get angry (first it was just the old, then they say it hurts the young, first they say unhealthy people, now they report it kills healthy, now they say its airborne). < ---they ratchet up the fear knob progressively over time
6. Do anyone of us know anyone personally who has it? how convenient they tell people "don't get tested for it" "self quarantine". maybe they don't want all these positives to come back and people to report online "I got it I was 100% fine" or maybe they want to be very careful and not get caught determine "who has it" and "who doesn't" because they know someone or a test kit might slip up and they will have some explaining to do
7. that drug that started with an H, the controversy with it

The writing is on the wall none of this adds up

i have many friends who's girlfriends and wives work in hospitals around boston and nh area, 3-4 hours from ny, no craziness around here
 
I was told they recently changed their stance and told the public that wearing masks is good to prevent more cases. I haven't looked for the article or anything. I donated about 8 I found to a hospital.

I personally feel if people wear masks going out for essentials, it surely can help reduce the spread. I could be wrong too.
 
I thought we don't allow political posts? like 90% of the posts here are political.

Some serious nutjobs around here.

Conspiracies are fun for the kiddies I guess.
 
FYI, I'm not the one who locked the thread. Don't need any conspiracy theories about me shutting it down!
 
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