Cut before starting testosterone?

[borninsin20]

Hi everyone.

I really can't deicide whether to cut first without testosteron or start testosterone now with reta and doing a 2 months cut, then start a lean bulk after that?

Been training for 17 years and have a great amount of muscle mass and can see my abs, but I also have some lovehandles and a little fat on lower stomach that I want to get rid off. I know I look really good at 95kg, so 6-7 kg down is what I'm thinking.

In my head it sounds best to start testosterone and reta to minimize muscle loss, but been told that is smarter to cut down first without any peds, then start a lean bulk.

 

[madg]

Love handles while having abs ?

 

[jackedsanta]

Based on your description I was carrying much more fat than you are and I wish I had cut first and kept a tighter lock on my blood work, but again I was closer to 30% body fat and you sound like you're nowhere near that. But there are multiple benefits to being leaner physiologically and metabolically first. And obviously if your test level are terrible then TRT doses to start are great but if I had to do it all over again I would've listened to what everybody said I would've got lean then I would've started and that likely would've saved me a few issues IMHO.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Why would you or anyone else do ANYTHING without testosterone.

There’s no sound argument for this

 

[Dog-Slime]

Would the testosterone be a first cycle?
If so then save it for after as you would surely get back and blow past any muscle loss real quick.
If you got some experience already try a good TRT dose of the test in the cut and then blast immediately once you have achieved a satisfactory bf%

 

[madg]

Why would you or anyone else do ANYTHING without testosterone.

There’s no sound argument for this

What if i use estrogen but i provide the chatgpt studies ? ??

 

[massephase]

Why would you or anyone else do ANYTHING without testosterone.

There’s no sound argument for this

 

[buck]

What are your T levels now and E2 while you are at it.
Loosing 15 lbs can be done with diet and some exercise. Without any real muscle loss.
If T is low then go with some test.
If diet stalls for some reason you could add in RETA.
You can start dieting today and start losing while you continue considering your options.
No reason to put off to tomorrow what you can do today.

 

[hogan87]

TRT so you don`t lose muscle in a kcal deficit and reta.

 

[Splitzz]

Trt dose to cut to 8-10% then start your cycle. Be primed for a growth phase at that point

 

[Zamun]

Love handles while having abs ?

In his defense this used to be me lmao. Hold fat in terrible places

 

[Splitzz]

Love handles while having abs ?

Some guys have the best genetics
Only have abs if 10% or less, very shallow. Trying to build them up

 

[Flocci]

Trt dose to cut to 8-10% then start your cycle. Be primed for a growth phase at that point

It sounds to me like you would benefit from cutting first and do like splitzz said here.