cutting on high test only

[shaker89]

hey everyone
right now I'm 235 lbs, 5.7 ft and around 20% fat (hopefully not more).
been cruising on test cyp 250 mg weekly for 8 weeks now after the last blast which was 750 test cyp, 350 NPP and added 50 mg dbol the last 4 weeks.
I'm trying to tidy up and cut to around 10% body fat in the next 3 to 4 months, so it's gonna be a long cut.

was wondering is it enough to increase the test to 750 mg weekly, add some cardio and lower the calories to see results without losing any hard earned muscle since i'm well beyond genetic limit and never been to that size before ?
how about some test & NPP for cutting ? any 1st hand experience ?

those 2 pics are a couple days ago during the cruise.
appreciate any help as i'm not that good at cutting fats.

 

[Flex500]

hey everyone
right now I'm 235 lbs, 5.7 ft and around 20% fat (hopefully not more).
been cruising on test cyp 250 mg weekly for 8 weeks now after the last blast which was 750 test cyp, 350 NPP and added 50 mg dbol the last 4 weeks.
I'm trying to tidy up and cut to around 10% body fat in the next 3 to 4 months, so it's gonna be a long cut.

was wondering is it enough to increase the test to 750 mg weekly, add some cardio and lower the calories to see results without losing any hard earned muscle since i'm well beyond genetic limit and never been to that size before ?
how about some test & NPP for cutting ? any 1st hand experience ?

those 2 pics are a couple days ago during the cruise.
appreciate any help as i'm not that good at cutting fats.

You have a metric ton of muscle. Good job. I find solidarity with your circumstance as I had some tough life circumstances that got the best of me and am also in this similar bodyfat situation. Anyway...I'm literally doing like 400 test and 200 mast (I feel really good on mast but it's not required to cut, of course). Assuming estrogen doesn't get out of hands cutting on 750 test is totally fine man. Hell I did bodybuilding competitions where I only took 500-750 test and threw in 50mgs of winstrol the last 8 weeks. Totally doable, and you could probably be fairly aggressive on the cut (at least in spurts) if you wanted to.

 

[Theone233]

Totally doable! I would add in some mast if it was me though. I never ran mast until this last year. I love how it makes me feel and look.

 

[Flocci]

id just start out at a total anabolic load of 300-500 and titrate that up as you start to get more catabolic/leaner and deeper into the cut. You could probably start out at just 300mg test and go from there imo. It also depends how hard you are pushing the deficit, cardio and how onpoint you are with your diet and sleep though. even just adding 200-300mg masteron for some neural drive in the gym and hardening to the 250mg test could be somewhere to start. Get the most from the least, No need to slam up 400mg a week when you'll notice a bump from a 200-300mg increase.

 

[GRIM REAPER]

hey everyone
right now I'm 235 lbs, 5.7 ft and around 20% fat (hopefully not more).

Realize that you are also carrying a lot of water. So your 235# is not just a matter of fat and muscle.

been cruising on test cyp 250 mg weekly for 8 weeks now after the last blast which was 750 test cyp, 350 NPP and added 50 mg dbol the last 4 weeks.
I'm trying to tidy up and cut to around 10% body fat in the next 3 to 4 months, so it's gonna be a long cut.

I would not select npp and dbol for your goal. This is more suited towards bulking and growing. Nandrolones increase aromatase activity and dbol matabolizes into methyl-estrogen. So neither of these anabolics are the most conducive to fat loss.

was wondering is it enough to increase the test to 750 mg weekly, add some cardio and lower the calories

In my experience, 750mg of test, with an ai + cardio while in a calorie deficit would be a better choice for your goals.

to see results without losing any hard earned muscle since i'm well beyond genetic limit and never been to that size before ?

In my experience, this does not happen. You will always lose some muscle in a calorie deficit.
We take anabolics to minimize this intrinsic catabolic effect of calorie suppression. Many competitors have a higher drug load during contest prep than in off season for this reason.

This is where tren shines. No steroid is better at preventing muscle loss during a calorie deficit than tren.

how about some test & NPP for cutting ? any 1st hand experience ?

This is a better choice, but not coupled with high test. Not for hard cutting.

those 2 pics are a couple days ago during the cruise.

Ton of muscle. Yes you've got some fat accumulation, but a lot of your smoothness is water too. Which will fall of quick with the right adjustments.

appreciate any help as i'm not that good at cutting fats.

Calorie deficit.
Cardio.
Strong anabolic protocol to prevent as much muscle loss as possible during that time.


This is without complicating this discussion with things clen, t3, cardarine, high frag and a bunch of other things.

Some guys will say that yes it can be done, but there are easy ways of doing things, and then there are more difficult ways of doing things. I always try to pick the most conducive, most straight forward way of doing things.

 

[-Spartan-]

yea i agree with Flex, lots of muscle on your frame.
Test at 750 pw, 3-4iu of Gh pd, Aromasin as needed, and a sprinkle of Retatrutide would have you peeled in no time as long as diet and cardio are in check.

 

[luki7788]

To be honest - don’t waste gear and health for higher doses when you fat

Take 250 test week and cut all fat minimum to 8% body fat then think to increasing dosages

 

[shaker89]

You have a metric ton of muscle. Good job. I find solidarity with your circumstance as I had some tough life circumstances that got the best of me and am also in this similar bodyfat situation. Anyway...I'm literally doing like 400 test and 200 mast (I feel really good on mast but it's not required to cut, of course). Assuming estrogen doesn't get out of hands cutting on 750 test is totally fine man. Hell I did bodybuilding competitions where I only took 500-750 test and threw in 50mgs of winstrol the last 8 weeks. Totally doable, and you could probably be fairly aggressive on the cut (at least in spurts) if you wanted to.

thanks brother for the nice words i really appreciate it.
i do have some mast on hand but since is it kinda pricey here in Egypt i prefer to keep it for later, maybe the last 8 weeks when i get leaner.

so, from your experience, i need less AAS to hold on to muscles (retain lean tissues) during cutting than what i used previously to build those tissues ? given all other factors are in the right conditions of course.

 

[shaker89]

Totally doable! I would add in some mast if it was me though. I never ran mast until this last year. I love how it makes me feel and look.

would it be better to keep it for when i start leaning out a little bit ? or start it right away ? considering it's kinda expensive here in Egypt.

 

[Theone233]

would it be better to keep it for when i start leaning out a little bit ? or start it right away ? considering it's kinda expensive here in Egypt.

Totally up to you. It works better (seen results when you are leaner) but I like how it helps control estrogen too

 

[shaker89]

id just start out at a total anabolic load of 300-500 and titrate that up as you start to get more catabolic/leaner and deeper into the cut. You could probably start out at just 300mg test and go from there imo. It also depends how hard you are pushing the deficit, cardio and how onpoint you are with your diet and sleep though. even just adding 200-300mg masteron for some neural drive in the gym and hardening to the 250mg test could be somewhere to start. Get the most from the least, No need to slam up 400mg a week when you'll notice a bump from a 200-300mg increase.

i though about titrating the dose gradually when needed or adding compounds but honestly what's stopping me is the fear of losing lean tissues since i'm gonna cut for a long time.

 

[shaker89]

Realize that you are also carrying a lot of water. So your 235# is not just a matter of fat and muscle.


I would not select npp and dbol for your goal. This is more suited towards bulking and growing. Nandrolones increase aromatase activity and dbol matabolizes into methyl-estrogen. So neither of these anabolics are the most conducive to fat loss.


In my experience, 750mg of test, with an ai + cardio while in a calorie deficit would be a better choice for your goals.


In my experience, this does not happen. You will always lose some muscle in a calorie deficit.
We take anabolics to minimize this intrinsic catabolic effect of calorie suppression. Many competitors have a higher drug load during contest prep than in off season for this reason.

This is where tren shines. No steroid is better at preventing muscle loss during a calorie deficit than tren.


This is a better choice, but not coupled with high test. Not for hard cutting.


Ton of muscle. Yes you've got some fat accumulation, but a lot of your smoothness is water too. Which will fall of quick with the right adjustments.


Calorie deficit.
Cardio.
Strong anabolic protocol to prevent as much muscle loss as possible during that time.


This is without complicating this discussion with things clen, t3, cardarine, high frag and a bunch of other things.

Some guys will say that yes it can be done, but there are easy ways of doing things, and then there are more difficult ways of doing things. I always try to pick the most conducive, most straight forward way of doing things.

thanks bro for the elaborated response
okay i think i'll go with moderate test, some adex and see what happens.
i'll keep it simple for now and i can add mast and/or tren later on when needed.

 

[shaker89]

To be honest - don’t waste gear and health for higher doses when you fat

Take 250 test week and cut all fat minimum to 8% body fat then think to increasing dosages

i'm cruising on 250 right now.
don't you think lowering the calories and starting cutting on the same dose will cause muscle loss ? knowing that the last blast was almost a gram and half of total anabolics.

i know alot of guys cut while cruising and gain while blasting but i always believed that would only work if the person is not having a lot of muscle that needs more anabolics to hold.
I would like to know your point of view on this.

 

[luki7788]

i'm cruising on 250 right now.
don't you think lowering the calories and starting cutting on the same dose will cause muscle loss ? knowing that the last blast was almost a gram and half of total anabolics.

i know alot of guys cut while cruising and gain while blasting but i always believed that would only work if the person is not having a lot of muscle that needs more anabolics to hold.
I would like to know your point of view on this.

Man, don’t take this the wrong way — but you’ve got at least 40 pounds to lose, minimum.
250 mg is already a supraphysiological dose.
If you’re carrying that much body fat, why are you even thinking about running 1.5 grams of gear? What’s the point? It won’t do anything meaningful.
Just stick to 250 mg, maybe 300–400 mg max if you really feel the need.

Honestly, a better combo would be something like 300 mg Test + 200 mg Masteron it help keep you drier, improve your DHT levels, and create a better hormonal environment for fat loss.
Get really lean first get that body fat way down and then you can think about slowly ramping things up with more anabolics.

Keep it simple.

 

[yellowbird1]

To be honest - don’t waste gear and health for higher doses when you fat

Take 250 test week and cut all fat minimum to 8% body fat then think to increasing dosages

This topic always interests me because you have people saying run 250mg and then you have people saying they run the highest load of anabolics during cutting. Where does that change? Is the difference that one person is doing this for lifestyle and one is competing so they can't afford to lose muscle? Or is it moreso because of body fat levels where one person is going from 20% to 10% and the other is going from 12% to 4%?

 

[luki7788]

This topic always interests me because you have people saying run 250mg and then you have people saying they run the highest load of anabolics during cutting. Where does that change? Is the difference that one person is doing this for lifestyle and one is competing so they can't afford to lose muscle? Or is it moreso because of body fat levels where one person is going from 20% to 10% and the other is going from 12% to 4%?

This should be a pretty obvious answer, honestly.
We’re talking about two completely different worlds — someone who competes on stage vs. someone who just does this for lifestyle.
If you’re competing, then the off-season is your growth phase. And during a growth phase, your health needs to be on point. You can’t have blood pressure issues, digestion problems, or any serious health concerns. You need to train hard, digest food efficiently, and be consistent to actually progress. That’s why most competitors lower anabolics in the off-season and also because you simply don’t need as much when you’re in a calorie surplus.

Think of it like this:
If you driving a car at 200 km/h on the highway and then slow down to 100 km/h, it doesn’t mean you’ve stopped — you’re still moving forward, just at a safer, more controlled pace. Same with gear in the off-season: you use less, you grow a bit slower, but you move forward in a safer way.
Then, when prep comes, you ramp things up. And if you’ve done your off-season right — low body fat, good insulin sensitivity — you might even grow a bit during prep.
Now, if someone has a ton of body fat, there’s absolutely no reason to be running high doses of gear. They don’t even have enough muscle mass to justify that. Again two different worlds. Let’s not compare prep protocols to what a lifestyle athlete should be doing.

 

[xcv0]

Change your diet and do cardio. AOD peptide helps lose bodyfat over time. Its the fat burning fragment in the hgh 191AA aminos. It doesn't cause water retention from what I've heard.

 

[Flocci]

you are heavily exaggerating the chance of muscle loss at such a high bodyfat percentage and understimating how miuch AAS is needed to offset catabolism as long as you arent crash dieting with PSMF and tons of cardio or somehting like that.

 

[Tomgrass]

I totally agree with Luki - i see zero difference when cutting on just 250mg , in fact i see difference - less gear mean less hunger- easier stick to a diet and 250 mg of test is PLENTY even for me who is very lean year round.

 

[GRIM REAPER]

thanks bro for the elaborated response
okay i think i'll go with moderate test, some adex and see what happens.

Don't get me wrong this is going in the right direction, but @luki7788 reply below is better than test + ai.

Honestly, a better combo would be something like 300 mg Test + 200 mg Masteron it help keep you drier, improve your DHT levels, and create a better hormonal environment for fat loss.

This will give you better blood work and you can pretty much stay on it indefinitely.