Cutting question - should I use DNP?

[glebati]

Thank you everyone for your responses,
I think that it makes sense that I should learn to get lean naturally before I try using DNP. I wanted to use it because I thought it would let me retain more muscle, but I have to agree with the argument of the majority of the people who responded. I will probably avoid the substance for now and see how going into a simple energy deficit goes.

 

[Trippy.]

Thank you everyone for your responses,
I think that it makes sense that I should learn to get lean naturally before I try using DNP. I wanted to use it because I thought it would let me retain more muscle, but I have to agree with the argument of the majority of the people who responded. I will probably avoid the substance for now and see how going into a simple energy deficit goes.

You have restored a little faith to me for the guys your age. Usually they get mad, act like we did something wrong and say they are doing it anyways... lol So why even ask in the first place? You are a head of the pack lil bro. Keep working hard. Dial that diet in and everything will come together.

 

[qbkilla]

I think what he's getting at is that DNP will cause a reduction in T3 but I believe the suppression is short lived, assuming reasonable dose/duration.

I'm surprised there's so much DNP hate here

I've been reading forums since elite fitness in 2001, this is probably the only board ive been on that dnp is considered relatively safe if im being honest. Probably since hes 18 and not lean People want to save him from winning the Darwin award. I remember years ago some boards would not allow discussion on dnp is assume for liability purposes, aas forums.

 

[Sectør]

I've been reading forums since elite fitness in 2001, this is probably the only board ive been on that dnp is considered relatively safe if im being honest. Probably since hes 18 and not lean People want to save him from winning the Darwin award. I remember years ago some boards would not allow discussion on dnp is assume for liability purposes, aas forums.

Probably for good reason tbh. If some 18 year old takes it and does something stupid and dies (maybe he took too much because he didn’t “feel” it as fast as he wanted, or combined it with the sauna, or a diuretic)—it would just put the forum under the wrong kind of spotlight. I’ve seen a lot of people do stupid stuff with it like ramp to 1g/day because they don’t understand the concept of half lives and wanted to feel it faster. I’m not surprised people have died with it

Is DNP effective? Yes. Very. But with all the oxidative stress and ROS, and mitochondria damage it causes it just seems like a very outdated method in my opinion—especially when a lot of the newer generation stuff that can actually improve bloodwork and health markers (Reta, SLU, mots-c, l carnitine, etc)

 

[Fleezy]

DNP is a tool in the tool box. I just don't think many of us think it's the best tool for you in your present circumstances.

Precisely

Calling dnp a poison is hyperbolic

But no 18 year old should use dnp - unless they are like… a potato chip away from becoming a full on diabetic

And even then..




It can be very dangerous if not used properly

 

[Fleezy]

I thought it would let me retain more muscle,

It won’t eat through muscle like t3 will

But since you’re not on aas, your training performance will likely deteriorate so much that you will lose lean tissue

 

[Fleezy]

‘Sigh’….. I’ll bite and humour you.
Your point being?

My point is calling it a poison is silly

And misleading

 

[traininsane11]

My point is calling it a poison is silly

And misleading

Yes — DNP (2,4-dinitrophenol) is absolutely a poison in the strict toxicological sense.

Here’s a clear, factual breakdown:

What DNP is
• DNP is an industrial chemical originally used in explosives, dyes, and pesticides.
• It is not approved for human consumption in any country.

DNP is a true metabolic poison, not just a “harsh fat burner.”
It has one of the worst safety profiles of any substance ever used for fat loss.


So which bit was misleading?

 

[Fleezy]

What DNP is
• DNP is an industrial chemical originally used in explosives, dyes, and pesticides.
• It is not approved for human consumption in any country.

While this is true, it doesn’t really mean much..

Just because something is used as a chemical for dyes, textiles or what have you, doesn’t mean it isn’t fit for consumption. I’m not saying DNP is fit for consumption, but just because it’s used for industrial purposes doesn’t mean that this is all it’s meant for

And the FDA here in America approved the usage of thalidomide for pregnant women’s morning sickness.. only to find out after several years that it caused severe birth defects in the offspring

So I’m not sure using government bodies as an authoritative source is smart

 

[derzwerg]

I've been reading forums since elite fitness in 2001, this is probably the only board ive been on that dnp is considered relatively safe if im being honest. Probably since hes 18 and not lean People want to save him from winning the Darwin award. I remember years ago some boards would not allow discussion on dnp is assume for liability purposes, aas forums.

Fair enough, and I'm definitely on board with those saying to learn to diet through a simple deficit first.

I'm just surprised all the initial replies were calling it poison. Maybe I'm mistaken but I seem to remember psmf and dnp being pretty popular here not too long ago.

And with regards to reta, slu, all the other latest and greatest, why not both? A glp would make psmf a breeze and we all know how dramatic dnp can be in a couple weeks.

To be clear, I'm not advising that to OP lol. I'm just surprised by the overall negative sentiment.

 

[Fleezy]

I'm just surprised all the initial replies were calling it poison.

I’m just glad no one here is still saying that the effective dose and the lethal dose are very close to each other.. that was an insidious lie told by diet coaches who didn’t want to lose business to a cheap fat loss pill

And with regards to reta, slu, all the other latest and greatest, why not both?

I also find it fascinating that people are so eager to use these relatively new compounds - some of which have (alleged) severe side effects AT the useful dose

Whereas dnp has been known of for almost 100 years at this point

Will I ever use dnp again? Doubtful… but it’s still an extremely useful and effective tool

 

[Fleezy]

Dnp fat loss with appetite control from Reta with energy and fat loss from slu-pp-332 and clen would be insane lol

Almost tempted to try it ngl… the fat loss with just clen and Slu from @Mike Arnold are doing the job well enough

 

[GreatGhandi51]

Haven’t even read it but I know the answer is going to be no

Said it before and I will say it again

With all the options out there now for chemical assistance why anyone would still wants to use dnp is beyond me it’s literally poison

Because instead of being a reiterating parrot of TNT cousin etc, know how powerful DNP is.

Look up its history, how it was initially approved by FDA for fat loss then because of tax evasion and 0.001% cataracts issues lead to it to be removed.

Dan Duchaine released it; how did he know about it? from the Dr that tax evaded and he met him in prison.

DNP is one of the most powerful catabolic poisons known to man, and one of the best fat burners and 'healthier' fat burners compared to beta agonists etc.

 

[qbkilla]

Fair enough, and I'm definitely on board with those saying to learn to diet through a simple deficit first.

I'm just surprised all the initial replies were calling it poison. Maybe I'm mistaken but I seem to remember psmf and dnp being pretty popular here not too long ago.

And with regards to reta, slu, all the other latest and greatest, why not both? A glp would make psmf a breeze and we all know how dramatic dnp can be in a couple weeks.

To be clear, I'm not advising that to OP lol. I'm just surprised by the overall negative sentiment.

Not disagreeing with any of your points. I just personally feel like this board is very pro dnp. On other boards, seeing it called poison or people saying it is too risky is common. Well atleaast 10 years ago when I was on more forums, things may have changed since then. Lol

 

[qbkilla]

I also find it fascinating that people are so eager to use these relatively new compounds - some of which have (alleged) severe side effects AT the useful dose

Whereas dnp has been known of for almost 100 years at this point

Will I ever use dnp again? Doubtful… but it’s still an extremely useful and effective tool

I feel similar. What's shocking to me is that people feel the need to use these drugs. I mean dieting and getting lean are pretty simple. Now if it was a drug that added size, I could see more people being more risky because adding quality muscle...especially for advanced..is an actual challenge. We as a society are addicted to food.

 

[Fleezy]

dieting and getting lean are pretty simple.

‘Simple’ and ‘easy’ are too different things

 

[pesty4077]

Precisely

Calling dnp a poison is hyperbolic

But no 18 year old should use dnp - unless they are like… a potato chip away from becoming a full on diabetic

And even then..




It can be very dangerous if not used properly

It classified as a poison. It was actually used as a pesticide and herbicide. Due to its extreme toxicity, DNP has been banned from agricultural use in the United States and Europe since the late 1990s.

Here is what AI says, since you guys tend to use that and yes, it says it is a poison:

Google Search

 

[pesty4077]

Thank you everyone for your responses,
I think that it makes sense that I should learn to get lean naturally before I try using DNP. I wanted to use it because I thought it would let me retain more muscle, but I have to agree with the argument of the majority of the people who responded. I will probably avoid the substance for now and see how going into a simple energy deficit goes.

Trust me, you will be healthier in the long run by not taking a drug for everything. You need to learn how to eat a certain way. Hire @hawkmoon , he can teach you. Besides that, put you on a good DC program so you won't drop muscle when you clean up your diet.

 

[specter]

Thank you everyone for your responses,
I think that it makes sense that I should learn to get lean naturally before I try using DNP. I wanted to use it because I thought it would let me retain more muscle, but I have to agree with the argument of the majority of the people who responded. I will probably avoid the substance for now and see how going into a simple energy deficit goes.

Dude you have all the tools at your hand that i didnt at 18, pls dont do the stupid shit i did, "use" all these knowledgeable guys, you have the chance to build your dream body and do it way easier, with way less wasted time then any of us here.. pls show me and people here that anybody below the age of 30 still has brains that isnt rotted away from social media.. and have a merry christmas.

 

[hawkmoon]

I had a good friend die on DNP.
Yes, it won't kill you 99.9% of the time, but why even mess with it?

40+ years and contests up the ying-yang and I have not and will not ever use DNP.

You can do so much with good nutrition - lever 1
You can do more with cardio, in various forms - lever 2
You'd be amazed at how much you can do before you even touch PEDs - lever 3

Pull one lever at a time, learn it, optimize it, maximize it.