Cutting with DNP: Cycle Plan, Diet, and Stack Advice

[Elvia1023]

So many random thoughts on this thread and some of the posts made in it. I will write it all together and many points will counteract each other because I have varied views and they do depend on the individual situation.

Firstly we sell all the drugs mentioned and the GLP drugs are probably our biggest seller now if you don't count test.

All drugs mentioned can be extremely effective.

I find it bizarre that guys will say no to DNP and it's dangerous when they have probably pumped loads of different drugs into themselves including tren, orals, diuretics, clen, rec drugs, strong sleep drugs etc.

DNP can be run sensibly and not everyone will push the dose until they feel horrible and it makes it dangerous. I know many people who use 1 cap EOD or ED with great results and minimal side effects. This includes me and besides once getting an allergic reaction I have experienced barely any side effects using it and it's very comfortable to me because I don't push the dose. The times I run clen were much worst for me. In fact even most AAS give me more side effects. The only side effect I can from DNP is some heat here and there. No shit you will burn up if you a massive dose of it... just don't take a large dose of it quite simple. Caffeine powder will kill you if you take too much. Multiple organ failure etc and that's why they don't do the powder anymore (people died) because it's easy to fuck up the dosing. Sometimes many things we take daily can be extremely dangerous at the wrong dose so that's why you use common sense. If you are an idiot you stay away from things like DNP, insulin and diuretics etc.

The OP sounds like he just needs to diet and he doesn't need DNP. If he has to use something I would probably recommend a GLP-1 drug over the others but none of this DNP hate I find it bizarre. Acting like guys are stupid for using it because we now have GLP-1 drugs

I recently took Tirzepatide and I started at a very small dose because I like to try everything I talk about and sell so I understand them and can best advise. It gave me the worst stomach cramps ever and I was on the toilet all day and it was horrible. It was literally a day from hell and the worst I have felt in a very long time. I have sold it to 100's of people and I know many who get bad side effects from it but generally they are very well tolerated. Just like DNP and everything else you should start super low and gradually build up the dose.

GLP drugs may be fairly well studied but there are also still many unknowns so to act like they are all fine and dandy is wrong. Granted 90% of the people who have issues on these drugs do so because they have terrible diets and they go from eating loads of bad foods to eating barely anything with diets void of nutrients so no wonder their bodies start falling apart. I consider them safe drugs to take but again there are still unknowns but like with anything you should dose them sensibly and eat a good diet and you should have minimal-no issues. For many people they are literal wonder drugs and have transformed many lives.

DNP is completely misunderstood and the bodybuilder logic of take more and more is partly to blame for that. If 200mg works great then 400mg must be better and 600mg must be better again. I have sold it to 100's of people and most do great. Occasionally I will gets some idiot tell me he feels like shit and I ask how many he is using and he says 750-1000mg even after I purposely said to never take more than 2 caps in 24 hours under and circumstances. I would state 80% of my customers take 1 cap daily max and that's how it should be used as an add on. A booster in a sense to rev up your metabolism. Not take it until you feel like complete shit. Although again the amount of guy staking grams of gear and various other drugs who act like no one should ever use it is ridiculous. Of course if you OD it's extremely dangerous so I understand why people have certain views but there are strict dosing guildlines for a reason. Go and take 10-15mg tirzepatide first day and see if you feel good.

 

[Elvia1023]

I'm currently sitting at around 20% body fat and planning to start a DNP cycle at 200 mg ED.
Depending on how I respond to the daily dose, I may switch to (EOD).

For nutrition, my target intake is:

• Fat: 1g per kg of body weight
• Protein: 2g per kg of body weight
• Carbs: Filling in the remainder, with a daily caloric deficit of 300–500 kcal

I intend to run this DNP cycle for 4 to 8 weeks, followed by a 1-month cycle of T3.


Here are a few questions I’d appreciate insight on:

1. Carb Timing: Given the use of DNP, should I continue consuming high-GI carbs before and after training, or will that worsen the side effects and make me feel miserable?
2. Cycle Duration: What’s considered the safest duration for running DNP? 1 month max? or can i run it more?
3. T3 Use: Is it advisable to follow the DNP cycle with T3, or should I reconsider that approach?
4. Clenbuterol Addition: I'm considering adding a low dose of clenbuterol. Would that be beneficial, or could it complicate things? if so, when would be recommended to add it?

thank ya'll !

At 20% you really need to fix your diet over any drug. Although who are we to say what to take or not to take. Most of us are all pumping ourselves full of drugs to attain the physiques we want. At the same time most of us are probably not 20% body fat and that is why people have responded the way they have. Losing bodyfat is different for me (drug wise) especially if someone is 20% body fat. If you went from 20% to 12% and wanted drugs to help you attain lower levels whilst maintaining muscle mass people might have responded much differently. Guys who only diet when taking drugs usually end up yo-yoing and struggling to stay lean over the long term.

Fix your diet and be consistent them look at drugs. Now if you really want to use something as others have stated a GLP drug might be your best best especially if appetite and diet adherence is an issue. They will help you stick to your diet and increase insulin sensitivity etc. Are you using any AAS or TRT? I would recommend 200-300mg test per week whilst you do this especially if you carry muscle.

There is nothing wrong with DNP and if you want to use it go for it. Although start at 1 cap EOD and move up in dose only if needed. Keep carbs low and mainly around activity. I wouldn't run t3 after the dnp. Frankly it's not needed but if you were to use it just run them both together. There is no need to run clen as well. A combination of low doses of each is fine but sort out your diet first and if you want to use something go with 1 drug. Only when you are lean should you consider adding something else. There is no point adding in everything at the same time. This should be a process and you gradually lower calories and add in (or rotate) drugs as you progress and will benefit most from them.

 

[Elvia1023]

I just want to add I mentioned we sell all the drugs mentioned not as a sales pitch. Most on here know what sponsors sell. I was trying to relay how I am not biased and sales motivated in my views. Anyone who knows me knows that but many won't. So if I come on here praising DNP and I am promoting it heavily at the same time people will think it's due to that. When the fact it I picked that 1 thing to sell because of how effective it can be. We sell clen and I never promote that.

The GLP drugs are the new bangwagon and their demand is crazy. Reta and Tirze will probably be the biggest selling drugs in 2025-2026 but I also don't like how they are touted everywhere as side effect free miracles drugs. They can be amazing for many people and they have transformed lives but there are still some unknowns and like with most drugs there are risks. I have heard some horror stories (loads of chatrooms online just for sema, tirze and reta etc) but as I stated in general they are well tolerated and can come with various health benefits as well.

 

[narta]

this is not true

Please elaborate

 

[Fleezy]

Please elaborate

you stated "The only downside, albeit a serious one, with dnp is that the adequate and killer dosages are too close together."

i mean.. this is just simply not true. im not really sure how else to say it - or how to elabroate.



it's a lie told by people with an agenda - typically people who sell coaching (fat loss) services.. they realize that if people knew they could lose all the fat they want with $100 worth of pills, then people won't drop $300-500 a month for their coaching and diet advice.


i have seen many people (and myself have personally) use doses going as high as 600mg a day. was it awesome? the fat loss was.. the side effects weren't.


but to say that the effective dose and lethal dose are too close together is absolutely a bald-faced lie.. you can get awesome results at 200mg a day, and no one is dying from that.

 

[Battousai]

So many random thoughts on this thread and some of the posts made in it. I will write it all together and many points will counteract each other because I have varied views and they do depend on the individual situation.

Firstly we sell all the drugs mentioned and the GLP drugs are probably our biggest seller now if you don't count test.

All drugs mentioned can be extremely effective.

I find it bizarre that guys will say no to DNP and it's dangerous when they have probably pumped loads of different drugs into themselves including tren, orals, diuretics, clen, rec drugs, strong sleep drugs etc.

DNP can be run sensibly and not everyone will push the dose until they feel horrible and it makes it dangerous. I know many people who use 1 cap EOD or ED with great results and minimal side effects. This includes me and besides once getting an allergic reaction I have experienced barely any side effects using it and it's very comfortable to me because I don't push the dose. The times I run clen were much worst for me. In fact even most AAS give me more side effects. The only side effect I can from DNP is some heat here and there. No shit you will burn up if you a massive dose of it... just don't take a large dose of it quite simple. Caffeine powder will kill you if you take too much. Multiple organ failure etc and that's why they don't do the powder anymore (people died) because it's easy to fuck up the dosing. Sometimes many things we take daily can be extremely dangerous at the wrong dose so that's why you use common sense. If you are an idiot you stay away from things like DNP, insulin and diuretics etc.

The OP sounds like he just needs to diet and he doesn't need DNP. If he has to use something I would probably recommend a GLP-1 drug over the others but none of this DNP hate I find it bizarre. Acting like guys are stupid for using it because we now have GLP-1 drugs

I recently took Tirzepatide and I started at a very small dose because I like to try everything I talk about and sell so I understand them and can best advise. It gave me the worst stomach cramps ever and I was on the toilet all day and it was horrible. It was literally a day from hell and the worst I have felt in a very long time. I have sold it to 100's of people and I know many who get bad side effects from it but generally they are very well tolerated. Just like DNP and everything else you should start super low and gradually build up the dose.

GLP drugs may be fairly well studied but there are also still many unknowns so to act like they are all fine and dandy is wrong. Granted 90% of the people who have issues on these drugs do so because they have terrible diets and they go from eating loads of bad foods to eating barely anything with diets void of nutrients so no wonder their bodies start falling apart. I consider them safe drugs to take but again there are still unknowns but like with anything you should dose them sensibly and eat a good diet and you should have minimal-no issues. For many people they are literal wonder drugs and have transformed many lives.

DNP is completely misunderstood and the bodybuilder logic of take more and more is partly to blame for that. If 200mg works great then 400mg must be better and 600mg must be better again. I have sold it to 100's of people and most do great. Occasionally I will gets some idiot tell me he feels like shit and I ask how many he is using and he says 750-1000mg even after I purposely said to never take more than 2 caps in 24 hours under and circumstances. I would state 80% of my customers take 1 cap daily max and that's how it should be used as an add on. A booster in a sense to rev up your metabolism. Not take it until you feel like complete shit. Although again the amount of guy staking grams of gear and various other drugs who act like no one should ever use it is ridiculous. Of course if you OD it's extremely dangerous so I understand why people have certain views but there are strict dosing guildlines for a reason. Go and take 10-15mg tirzepatide first day and see if you feel good.

Exactly. Tell me what's more dangerous, 200mg dnp or 120mcg clen? You know how many people run clen up to 200mcg? Shit is dangerous AND less effective than dnp. Personally hate that stuff, Ive gone up to 60mcg and it makes my heart race.

 

[hawkmoon]

My 2 cents as everyone is tossing their coins in the pool.

At 20% you need to just focus on diet and cardio to get the fat off. Not clen not DNP.
GLP-1 agonist if you have a real problem with self control, but that should be a backup tool in the box, not first line IMO.
Fat at 1g per kg is nuts. That would be over 100g for me or 900 calories per day.

Keep it simple. It's getting repetitive to say around here, but that's for a reason.

FWIW I have never touched DNP and I never will. If I need to get leaner I just push harder. I had a friend kill himself with DNP.
I have used clen up to 80mcg (does wonders for my asthma). if you have arrhythmia or other heart issues stay away from strong beta agonists.

 

[Wonder Land]

Thanks you all for taking the time to answer,
Especially thank you for the concern !

The truth is that in my past i already had some experiences with higher dose of DNP (10 days pyramide went up to 1.2g) and every cycle i lost tons of fat but felt like shit.

This time I want to "take it easy" and keep my diet moderate, continue eating carbs, fats and take it as easy as 200mg ED or even EOD depends on side effects.

And I agree with those who said that at 20% bf you can just keep diet, treadmill and train.
But you can also do it at 30% or 8%

The idea of this thread is to lose fat in a faster way keeping it safe and with low sides.

My end goal as getting to 12% and from now on to stay between 12% to 18%.
Once hitting 18% cut again to 12% and so on.

Bro no offense but if you’re 20% body fat you don’t need t3 and DNP,

You just need to fix your diet. As soon as you stop them you’ll just put the fat back on if you’re eating the same thing you were before them.

If might even be worse because you’re suppressing your thyroid and while the thyroid rebounds quick your diet needs to be airtight when stopping t3 for atleast a week or maybe even two

Clen or albuterol could be useful, or id even say a glp-1 would be a better path than thyroid meds and DNP.

Also, are you on anabolics?

What if every week I lower my diet according to my weight/tdee and once I finish the cycle I lower my intake even more in order to avoid that rebound?
Would that work?

DNP at 200mg/day won't be too uncomfortable. I'd keep carbs before and after training. Carbs at other times don't have to go down to zero, but you'll feel less warm with lower carb intake. No need to take T3, IMO.

I'd run glutathione at 100mg ED while running the DNP. DNP creates quite a bit of oxidative stress, and glutathione will help with that.

Well, I didn't plan to eat 0 carbs.
The plan is to eat 5g carbs per kg with a deficit of 300-500 calories.

I was only concerned about the intake of low GI carbs before workout because I don't want to suffer too much of the sides.

At 20% you really need to fix your diet over any drug. Although who are we to say what to take or not to take. Most of us are all pumping ourselves full of drugs to attain the physiques we want. At the same time most of us are probably not 20% body fat and that is why people have responded the way they have. Losing bodyfat is different for me (drug wise) especially if someone is 20% body fat. If you went from 20% to 12% and wanted drugs to help you attain lower levels whilst maintaining muscle mass people might have responded much differently. Guys who only diet when taking drugs usually end up yo-yoing and struggling to stay lean over the long term.

Fix your diet and be consistent them look at drugs. Now if you really want to use something as others have stated a GLP drug might be your best best especially if appetite and diet adherence is an issue. They will help you stick to your diet and increase insulin sensitivity etc. Are you using any AAS or TRT? I would recommend 200-300mg test per week whilst you do this especially if you carry muscle.

There is nothing wrong with DNP and if you want to use it go for it. Although start at 1 cap EOD and move up in dose only if needed. Keep carbs low and mainly around activity. I wouldn't run t3 after the dnp. Frankly it's not needed but if you were to use it just run them both together. There is no need to run clen as well. A combination of low doses of each is fine but sort out your diet first and if you want to use something go with 1 drug. Only when you are lean should you consider adding something else. There is no point adding in everything at the same time. This should be a process and you gradually lower calories and add in (or rotate) drugs as you progress and will benefit most from them.

Wow thank you for all the info !

I'm not taking any AAS/TRT, I don't feel ready for it, I feel that I need to gain a lot more muscle naturally before thinking about AAS/TRT.

By the way if I take 200mg ED what dose of T3 would considered safe?

Do you think that 1 month of DNP+T3 is the the maximum period of time to take them and more than that would be dangerous for thyroid?

 

[Wonder Land]

My 2 cents as everyone is tossing their coins in the pool.

At 20% you need to just focus on diet and cardio to get the fat off. Not clen not DNP.
GLP-1 agonist if you have a real problem with self control, but that should be a backup tool in the box, not first line IMO.
Fat at 1g per kg is nuts. That would be over 100g for me or 900 calories per day.

Keep it simple. It's getting repetitive to say around here, but that's for a reason.

FWIW I have never touched DNP and I never will. If I need to get leaner I just push harder. I had a friend kill himself with DNP.
I have used clen up to 80mcg (does wonders for my asthma). if you have arrhythmia or other heart issues stay away from strong beta agonists.

Well, if I want to be more accurate, its gonna be around 0.5g - 0.7g fat per kg

 

[hawkmoon]

Well, if I want to be more accurate, its gonna be around 0.5g - 0.7g fat per kg

For a fat loss phase I'd want that to be below 0.3-4g at the most.
Fat is the least needed macro, especially when dieting down - you will get plenty without trying.

Set the protein high, set the fat low, adjust carbs as needed.

 

[Flocci]

I personally think you are being a pussy with that small of a deficit using all this drugs.. leverage them for what its worth and go hard, not a mediocre 200-300kcal deficit. If you want serious results, put in serious work and dedication, not a bunch of reliance on drugs like a lazy SOB.

I'd do something close to a PSMF with some refeeds staggered in and leverage all the lipolytics and anticatabolics i could handle to maximize the process while in a big deficit with the most activity/expenditure i can handle everyday, focusing on lower intensity cardio as i dont want to burn out my CNS with the training and drugs and the steep harsh deficit and stress the body is under.

 

[Wonder Land]

I personally think you are being a pussy with that small of a deficit using all this drugs.. leverage them for what its worth and go hard, not a mediocre 200-300kcal deficit. If you want serious results, put in serious work and dedication, not a bunch of reliance on drugs like a lazy SOB.

I'd do something close to a PSMF with some refeeds staggered in and leverage all the lipolytics and anticatabolics i could handle to maximize the process while in a big deficit with the most activity/expenditure i can handle everyday, focusing on lower intensity cardio as i dont want to burn out my CNS with the training and drugs and the steep harsh deficit and stress the body is under.

Lol if taking things easy considered being pussy so I am proud to be a pussy

ive already been there, done PSMF with 1.2g DNP and i remember how miserable i was and how hard was it to stay focus on work, sleep or anything else.

I am in a point in life that i am willing to take things easier, be able to work, sleep, train with as low as possible side effects.

 

[narta]

but to say that the effective dose and lethal dose are too close together is absolutely a bald-faced lie.. you can get awesome results at 200mg a day, and no one is dying from that.

Yes you can get awesome results on 200mg/day. On 2000mg you can potentially die.

When I stated that adequate and killer dosages are close I meant that there is a killer dose. Not dangerous, but non-reversible-one-way-ticket-to-six-feet-under-dose. Other than clen (that I consider far worse) or diuretics (not something used regularly in non competitive environments), that both have means to treat them if you act fast enough, all other drugs need to be seriously abused in order for someone to end up dying.

 

[gauge22-v2]

Lol if taking things easy considered being pussy so I am proud to be a pussy

ive already been there, done PSMF with 1.2g DNP and i remember how miserable i was and how hard was it to stay focus on work, sleep or anything else.

I am in a point in life that i am willing to take things easier, be able to work, sleep, train with as low as possible side effects.

Per day?

If so that is fucked up beyond words.

 

[Sectør]

Per day?

If so that is fucked up beyond words.

Yeah 1.2g DNP a day is insane. Thats far into the “death zone”

 

[MackCoach]

Clen = ANTI-CATABOLIC
T3 =“”CATABOLIC “”

Take them together. Great results.
If you are eating protein using gear and training you are not going to eat away your muscle.

Mack

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[Wonder Land]

Per day?

If so that is fucked up beyond words.

Well, I wouldn't say that it was 1.2g per day.
It was a 10 day cycle which was 2 days on 200mg then 2 days 400 and increasing the dose until day 10 which was 1.2g and then it was the end of the cycle.

I didn't eat any carbs or fats in order not to die of the heat and still I couldn't sleep in the last 2 nights because it was so hot..

But like I said, I am not supporting it even tho I did it and now I'm taking things easy, trying to enjoy the "marathon" instead of suffering the "sprint"

 

[Wonder Land]

Clen = ANTI-CATABOLIC
T3 =“”CATABOLIC “”

Take them together. Great results.
If you are eating protein using gear and training you are not going to eat away your muscle.

Mack

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Actually that's what I was thinking.

I thought about 1 month of DNP and then 1 month on T3 with clen + ketotifen or only 2 weeks of clen by it self.

 

[SDRaver]

You're going to do what you want to do regardless. So I would say do it with safety first. I'm all for supply economy, the right tool for the right job at the right time. And it seems like a lot of tools are trying to be used all at the same time.

Kind of like if someone was going to breach a door. Everyone's amped up to use all these breaching techniques all at one time. So much so that no one even thought to use the simplest and safe way first. Turn the door knob see if it's unlocked.

It took some less than ideal habits for a length of time to get to where you are. It's going to take ideal habits and a length of time to get back out of that hole.

 

[tommyguns2]

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Thanks this is helpful information.

It appears that whether there is a net increase or reduction in oxidative stress is a function of the amount of uncoupling performed by the DNP (i.e., its dose). At low levels of uncoupling the mitochondrial membrane potential is lowered which reduces the "backpressure" that favors electron leak from complexes I and III. As electron leak is one of the main sources of reactive oxygen species (ROS) in mitochondria, mild uncoupling can reduce reactive ion species (ROS) production.

At higher doses, DNP drives hypermetabolism where the cells burn through more substrates and oxygen to try to make up for inefficient ATP production. This accelerates electron flow and metabolic turnover, which can in turn raise ROS levels. Additionally, ATP depletion stresses cells, impairs antioxidant defenses, and can worsen oxidative damage.

Thus at low doses (I don't know how low), DNP can actually reduce ROS, and at higher doses (don't know how high) it can increase ROS. In either case, running glutathione seems like a good idea.