Cycle advice for friend , Too much??

[Gunsmith]

Hey guys , I've got a close friend thats planning his next cycle and is wanting to use a couple compounds that are new to him , the doses seem decient maybe light to some but in my oppinion its to many compounds. He is 34 yrs old been using ASS for 14yrs , none in the last 2 years (been in Iraq) he is currently 245lbs and in the 15% BF range (6'2") his diet is pretty solid but their is a some slack in it due to eating on the run when at work , he is very healthy , all blood work checks out good. All his previous cycles have been pretty much the same Test at 500/wk and either EQ at 400mg/wk or deca at 400/wk with oral winny at 50mg/ed. He has decided that he wants to do a bigger cycle to add some more mass and drop some body fat.

My oppionion was to up the test a little to maybe 600-700/wk and up the oral winny to 75mg/ed and clean up the diet more but he seems hell bent on running several other compounds. Here is what he was thinking

Wk-1-16 Sust at 500mg/wk
Wk-1-10 Tren Enanthate 300mg/wk
Wk-8-16 oral winstrol at 50mg/ed
Wk-11-16 Mastron at 400mg/wk
Wks 6 , 10 , 14 , 16 , 18 2500 iu HCG

To me this seems like a whole shit load of gear , granted all the compounds will probably work well together it just seems like a bad idea to me. He E-mailed this to me to see what I thought about the cycle and doses , he has all the stuff in hand and is ready to start but wants to get a set in stone does regiment so he can lay it out on a calender.

Any of you guys have oppinions or dose recomendations that I can pass along to him?

 

[SacToSD]

Wk-1-16 Sust at 500mg/wk
Wk-1-10 Tren Enanthate 300mg/wk
Wk-8-16 oral winstrol at 50mg/ed
Wk-11-16 Mastron at 400mg/wk
Wks 6 , 10 , 14 , 16 , 18 2500 iu HCG[/QUOTE=Gunsmith;539122]

That's a little long on the oral winstrol. Other than that, why not run tren ace for 6 weeks instead of ten? And, why not use EQ the whole time? Bumping up test would be good, too.
how about this instead:
sust 650 mg/week
eq 500 mg/wk
tren enan. 75 mg/day weeks 10-16
oral winstrol 75 mg/day weeks 10-16
HCG 250 units every 3-4 days throughout

I know he's got all his gear already, but that's just what I'd say to do. There's a really similar cycle here: (robbed from meso rx... this one is a heavy cutter and adds t3 into the mix, too):

Week1-5 100mgs test prop EOD

Week 6-10 200mgs Prop EOD

Week 1-10 600-800mgs EQ week

Week 5-10 50-100mgs Winny ED

Week 5-10 75 mgs Tren ED

I don't know about cycle advice, I'm giving a critique. This thread might be another in the long list of deleted threads, but I think you worded it right.

 

[6packguy]

Wk-1-16 Sust at 500mg/wk
Wk-1-10 Tren Enanthate 300mg/wk
Wk-8-16 oral winstrol at 50mg/ed
Wk-11-16 Mastron at 400mg/wk
Wks 6 , 10 , 14 , 16 , 18 2500 iu HCG[/QUOTE=Gunsmith;539122]

That's a little long on the oral winstrol. Other than that, why not run tren ace for 6 weeks instead of ten? And, why not use EQ the whole time? Bumping up test would be good, too.
how about this instead:
sust 650 mg/week
eq 500 mg/wk
tren enan. 75 mg/day weeks 10-16
oral winstrol 75 mg/day weeks 10-16
HCG 250 units every 3-4 days throughout

I know he's got all his gear already, but that's just what I'd say to do. There's a really similar cycle here: (robbed from meso rx... this one is a heavy cutter and adds t3 into the mix, too):

Week1-5 100mgs test prop EOD

Week 6-10 200mgs Prop EOD

Week 1-10 600-800mgs EQ week

Week 5-10 50-100mgs Winny ED

Week 5-10 75 mgs Tren ED

I don't know about cycle advice, I'm giving a critique. This thread might be another in the long list of deleted threads, but I think you worded it right.

Why would you pin tren enthanate ED? The whole point of a longer ester is to cut down on the need for daily injections

 

[gridlock]

Why would you pin tren enthanate ED? The whole point of a longer ester is to cut down on the need for daily injections

good point when you could just do that in 1 shot at the beginning of the week.

i never did understand the whjole idea that people have doing long esters every day

 

[Dave_19]

over that period of time its doses are too high IMO. I have never been a fan of any one taking big doses, especially at that duration. 2.5 months of tren and 8 weeks of winny @ 50mg is asking for a stressed out body. He probably would have much better results running a cleaner 6-8 month cycle and being patient.

 

[NPCS FINEST]

I dont know much about him so its really hard to tell. This cycle is not over kill. We all have seen much more gear being used. But if he has not been on gear for over 2 years then he should think about taking advantage of those clean receptors.


Just my 2 cents but I would first figure out whats more importent to him right now. Adding more muscle mass or dropping his body fat down. And then he can adjust the cycle a little better to help with his goals.

Personaly I like to use the least amout of gear possible that I need while cutting body fat. I use only enough to help keep the muscle mass that I already have while dieting and adding in my cardio. When I am around or at the body fat % I am shooting for then I will change up my diet, training, supps and cycle to add lean muscle mass. Now everyone is different so he has to find what works best for him but really with the amount of different kinds of gear he already has I could build 2 cycles out of .....one to help me lean up and get rock hard for summer...then switch it up to add the needed muscle mass to complete his goal.

 

[Gunsmith]

I agree with you guys , I have zero experiance with Mastron so I can't say what benifit it would have in this cycle but I have used tren Sust and Winny all with great results and I feel that with 500 a week of sust 250 a week of Tren and winstrol on th back end you can either cut up realy well or bulk up with some clean muscle with just those compounds.

I was thinking that he could run the Sust and Tren for the first 8 weeks then switch to Sust and winny for the last 8 weeks or so , again I don't know what throwing the mastron in their would do on either side.

What exactly does mastron do for you in a cycle , I see some guys run it the last couple week for show prep as its suppsoed to "dry" you out , what would it offer in a regular cycle

 

[NPCS FINEST]

What exactly does mastron do for you in a cycle , I see some guys run it the last couple week for show prep as its suppsoed to "dry" you out , what would it offer in a regular cycle

There is a ton of info on Mastron on the board bro. It should give you just about all the info on it that you need. Or your friend needs. One thing I forgot to mention before was that his current BF right now just might be a little to high to get the benafits from matron that he might be lookin for.

 

[SacToSD]

why not run tren ace for 6 weeks instead of ten?
tren enan. 75 mg/day weeks 10-16 = typo should be "tren ace."

typo... meant to write tren ace in the dosage section

 

[Gunsmith]

There is a ton of info on Mastron on the board bro. It should give you just about all the info on it that you need. Or your friend needs. One thing I forgot to mention before was that his current BF right now just might be a little to high to get the benafits from matron that he might be lookin for.

from what I've found it sounds like a pretty good component



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