cycle advice

[LocalGod]

Personal backround:

27yo

6'1"

205lbs @ 12%bf

dedicated and serious for 4 years

honestly train, diet and suppliment as hard and smart as I can (basically have devoted my life for the last 4 years to training)

have less than ideal genetics (hence the high bf% and low lean mass)

have tried the gambit of suppliments over the years trying to reach my full natural potential and have made good progress, but my progress has slowed and I tend to just move mass around (example: past 6 months focus on more upperbody made upper gains and lost mass in lower body without changing weight or bf%)

currently 2 1/2 weeks into clenbuterol cycle @ 140mcg/day with minimal sides (if any at this point)

researching my ass off trying to design an ideal cycle for me, as I want to add as much quality mass as I can with minimal sides (water retetion, gyno, etc.).

Not interested in gaining 30lbs on cycle and loosing 15lbs in PCT, I really don't wan't to blow up and make it obvious that I am juicin. Hope to run a cycle that I gain 5-10lbs of lean dry mass and keep it (I realize this is unlikely as it will be my first cycle but that is my goal)

My current best plan is

Weeks 1 -12: 50-75mg Test Prop ED
Weeks 1 -12: 50-75mg Proviron ED
Weeks 10-13: 250 IU HCG ED
Weeks 12-15: 10-20mg Nolvadex ED

I have considered also running Letrozole as part of my PCT

I realize that may be alot of PCT for such a mild cycle but obviously I want to Maximize endo free test levels

I have researed Deca, Equipoise, Tren, Dianabol, Winstrol among others and am not thilled about possible sides (I may be a little paranoid ) In my teens I had mild gyno natually and seemed to always have poor ratio of test/estrogen.


I'm looking for advice from Mods and Vets mostly, but feel free to chime in and keep this bumped for me, thanks in advance.

 

[oldfella]

Have you hooked up with any of the pro's here. Like Phil?? Give him a try before you switch to the dark side. I will always recommend this before resorting to aas. He will hook you up with a better and smarter way to train and eat. What supps to take etc. This guy produces serious results. Only training three years and relativly young you still have some good growth left naturally. I see this a lot. Guys think they are training hard and eating right and in fact they are not. I mean you no disrecpect here, but I have been in the game a long time. Been competing for over 12yrs. I would like to see you give it another two years under the guidence of one of these guys. You will learn a hell of a lot.

Now as for your proposed cycle. I would switch the test for a longer ester like cypionate or enanthate. Run about 300-400mg/wk. Use the proviron as well and you should see some real good gains from this. Then your pct makes a little more sense. But really I don't think you need this yet!! Later on yes!

 

[rl3355]

hmmm...test P ED for 12 wks is a bit much (pin cushion). I would use Test E or Cyp 400-500 wk.

 

[LocalGod]

I am sure I will continue to make some kinda gains over the next couple years oldfella as would anyone, but if the only people who used AAS were those who had completely maximized their natural growth potetial there would only be 4 guys on this board, all over 50yo.

I know you have my best intrests in mind but lets for this 1 thread assume I am ready to do my first cycle.

1. If I use Test Prop ED what would be an appropriate daily dose on this cycle
(I am thinking 400mg of Prop actually has more actual Test than E or Cyp because of their respective molecular weights)?

2.Recomended Daily dose of Proviron on this cycle?

3. Am I correct in thinking running Nolva thought the cycle would be a waste with the Proviron.

4. Do you agree with the HCG cycle I listed?

5. Would you recomend adding the Letro and if so how?

 

[drob29]

IMO your over thinking your cycle. keep it simple, just test for your first.

If your going to run AAS (sounds like you are) then here is my suggestion:

wk 1-10 Test E 250mg 2X per week (500mg wk)
wk 1-4 OPTIONAL dbol 40 mg ED
wk 11 and 12 NOTHING
wk 13 Clomid 100mg/nolve 40 mg ED
wk 14 clomid 50 mg /nolva 30 mg ED
wk 15 clomid 50 mg/nolva 20 mg ED

HCG 500-700iu every 5-7 days

of course, multi vitamin and fish oil ED.

The test E will keep your levels even, ED and EOD injections suck after a few weeks. If you opt for the dbol then liv52 or a minimum milk thistle must be taken. dont exceed four weeks no matter what others say.

A bit about myself: 43 yo, 228 lbs, 12% bf, currently in third cycle, test E 750/wk and EQ 600 wk, with a four week dbol kick. I am in week 3.

Big A had to "set me straight" over at alinboard recently (thanks big a) and he sent me the promuscle link...great stuff here by the way.

 

[rl3355]

The test E will keep your levels even, ED and EOD injections suck after a few weeks. If you opt for the dbol then liv52 or a minimum milk thistle must be taken. dont exceed four weeks no matter what others say.

A bit about myself: 43 yo, 228 lbs, 12% bf, currently in third cycle, test E 750/wk and EQ 600 wk, with a four week dbol kick. I am in week 3.

Big A had to "set me straight" over at alinboard recently (thanks big a) and he sent me the promuscle link...great stuff here by the way.

I have to agree here. ED or EOD inj are brutal.

 

[LocalGod]

thanks guys, I appreciate the replys, everyone I talk to has warned me about ED and EOD injections for more than a few weeks, and I'm sure it sucks.

My reason for choosing Test Prop was for the minimal water retention likewise with the Proviron as alot of people ate the gym see me in sleeveless t's or less on a daily basis and notice a difference when I'm using creatine, nevermind the kinda water I'm likely to hold with Test E and D-bol.

 

[oldfella]

If you watch your intake of sodium and keep drinking plenty of water (8litersor more p/day) you should not have a problem with retention. But prop is short acting and a pain in the ass to use eod. Test cyp or enanth with some proviron would be just fine. Just watch your diet and keep the water going in all day long.

 

[oldfella]

I have to agree here. ED or EOD inj are brutal.

rl, the avatar??? Cmon bro who is that?? Nice, very nice!! Good job bro. Makin me thirsty just looking at it!!

 

[rl3355]

rl, the avatar??? Cmon bro who is that?? Nice, very nice!! Good job bro. Makin me thirsty just looking at it!!

makin me thirsty...LMAO.