Cycle Advice

[KTY]

Hey guys.. Need a little advice and constructive critism on on a cycle I am planning..

Background: 31yrs 5'9 182lbs 13-14 %BF
Training 5yrs hardcore and off and on since 19 years of age. 5 years ago I was 195-200 and roughly 22%bf. I now have hit I guess what we call a plateau, gains are minimal. Diet is clean, 3500 cals 275-325g protein. 5-6 meals a day. Protein mostly from foods. BCAA's included. 2 shakes a day one being PWO with a banana and glutamine. Pre-workout taking Muscle Pharm ASSAULT and a multi currently.

Cycle: (Keeping it simple)
1-12 test-e 250ml 2x/week Monday / Thursday
3-14 HCG 250ius 2x/week (Having a hard time obtaining where I am but if I can will run as well)

PCT:
Nova ED 40/20/20/20

Inj:
I am planning on 20 to draw and 23 or 25 to pin and 29 for HCG. All glute injections.

Can post diet and routine if needed.

Thanks! Any advice suggestions is greatly appreciated.

 

[LIFTW8S]

Hey guys.. Need a little advice and constructive critism on on a cycle I am planning..

Background: 31yrs 5'9 182lbs 13-14 %BF
Training 5yrs hardcore and off and on since 19 years of age. 5 years ago I was 195-200 and roughly 22%bf. I now have hit I guess what we call a plateau, gains are minimal. Diet is clean, 3500 cals 275-325g protein. 5-6 meals a day. Protein mostly from foods. BCAA's included. 2 shakes a day one being PWO with a banana and glutamine. Pre-workout taking Muscle Pharm ASSAULT and a multi currently.

Cycle: (Keeping it simple)
1-12 test-e 250ml 2x/week Monday / Thursday
3-14 HCG 250ius 2x/week (Having a hard time obtaining where I am but if I can will run as well)

PCT:
Nova ED 40/20/20/20

Inj:
I am planning on 20 to draw and 23 or 25 to pin and 29 for HCG. All glute injections.

Can post diet and routine if needed.

Thanks! Any advice suggestions is greatly appreciated.

I have no experience with HCG, but I'm currently trying my first run with Test-E, and love the results. I'm running 600mgs a week though with EQ at 600mgs.

The Test-E should definitely help you, and by keeping it simple be easy on you as well.

Good luck bro! :headbang:

 

[Sepjuice1]

looks similar to one of my first cycles. I would definitely add some clomid with your pct.

 

[KTY]

How about this PCT?

Nova ED 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

 

[Stewie]

The need for an AI is a must, at 500 mg of Test and the usage of HCG, aromatize is certain to occur.
Something I may suggest 12.5 mg of aromasin eod during the duration of your cycle, if no AI is used the probability of a HTPA reboot is going to very minimal due to a few things high bound E2 and the possibility of high Intratesticular testosterone and or high levels of Intratesticular aromatize, at this point an AI may not be effective if bound in the peripheral tissue.
Also I would limit the use of HCG to the last 4 weeks of the cycle,desensitization of the leydigs hormone is also a possibility with long term use and down regulating of LH/FSH may also occur. Not in all cases, the possibility is there.

The use of two SERMS may or may Not be necessary, its theorized both may hit LH/FSH at different angles ? This becomes very individualized.

Things You may also consider is during the use of a SERM is add COQ-10 in conjunction as this has been medical proven effective with idiopathic oligoasthenospermia (weather it was AAS induced I douno? )aids with mobility and sperm concentration.

Consider limiting stims during your cycle as stims render the adrenals ,and are key for optimal testosterone production (although fractional,is important state of homoestasis )

Be sure to take in a daily amount of EFA'S from not Just supplements, try to get most through food sources if possible. As this will help with your cholesterol and hormonal balance.

There's a lot of different approachs on a proper PCT, My belief is, if one uses a smart approach on their diet, protects their adrenals by reducing stress and use the lowest dose of a SERM and keeping estrogen/estrodiol at a healthy level (as estrogen is a stronger suppressor of HTPA )
returning to
Homoestasis should be a piece of cake .IMO

 

[statusX]

bro just test E?
what about deca ? eq? d-bol?anadrol?
i dont believe in hcg.
if your eating resting and training are good then just raise the dosage.
try stacking
-test e
-deca or eq depends on what look you looking for or how you feel.
-A-bombs or d-bol

-statusx

 

[KTY]

Stewie thanks for the advice its much appreciated and I will take note.

StatusX there is really no need for deca or eq in a first cycle. I'm mostly looking forward to seeing how my body reacts firstly to test on its own. Keeping the first cycle simple IMO is the best path. Future cycles may include include other compounds such as those. As far as orals go its a possibility to maybe use d-bols for a "kick start" but again IMO not an absolute must have. Thanks for your input though.

 

[JMAN86]

i agree for your first cycle Test only is what id recommend. Mixing too many AAS together and you will never know how you react to one drug in particular. Smart to stick with just Test this time.

 

[mcclms01]

I would up the test from 500mg to maybe 750mg-1000mg a week if you are only going to run test. Also, I agree with the clomid as part of PCT. If you have any signs of gyno you should run nolvades/arimidex every other day while on the cycle. good luck bro. Hope you make some good gains

 

[walker11]

Stewie- if one were to use an AI, lets say aromasin, while "on", how should they go about stopping the use of that AI? stop after last test injection, a week after, go all the way till PCT starts? I've been wondering this for the past few weeks and figure this would be a good time to ask.
thanks,
Walker

 

[Stewie]

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[Stewie]

Personally I would continue past PCT.
SERMs are synthetic estrogens that stimulate the hypothalamus which stimulates the anterior pituitary gland that release FSH /LH which in return activates the HTPA.
Again we want to stimulate, Not flood the hormones with estrogen/estrodiol, this would keep one suppressed as estrogen is now the dominant hormone.
So this is where an AI is crucial to keep aromatize at bay; we need estrogen as a state of homoestasis.
I would run an AI two weeks past PCT along with monitoring hormones.
Aromasin would be the wise choice as its noted of no rebound effect

Stewie- if one were to use an AI, lets say aromasin, while "on", how should they go about stopping the use of that AI? stop after last test injection, a week after, go all the way till PCT starts? I've been wondering this for the past few weeks and figure this would be a good time to ask.
thanks,
Walker

 

[walker11]

thanks for the info stewie, i appreciate it

 

[KTY]

I would up the test from 500mg to maybe 750mg-1000mg a week if you are only going to run test. Also, I agree with the clomid as part of PCT. If you have any signs of gyno you should run nolvades/arimidex every other day while on the cycle. good luck bro. Hope you make some good gains

There is absolutely no need to run more the 500mg a week first cycle. It's insane to run a gram of test e first cycle. What a waste. But thanks for the input, appreciated.