Cycle Critique

[neutrino]

Hey guys. New to the forum, sort of new to AAS. Have been lifting seriously for past 7 years, on gear for the past 4 years. Have tried all the popular compounds out there with virtually no issues at all. I have learned a ton, but there is a ton left to learn. My approach has always been to take what I read on forums like these with a grain of salt and not treat it as fact until I learn more, or try it for myself. One thing I have not been able to master until recently is actually getting legitimately lean. I have been dieting since last June. Cardio every damn day, no junk, and finally got in the best shape I have ever been in. Currently I am 211 lbs, 5ft 9. Really difficult to tell my BF level because I have really shitty fat distribution. I am not even going to try and guess, but got a visible six pack, and well defined vascularity (including my quads and torso, which I have never had before).

I am happy, but now I would like to grow without getting fat....yet again. I have a fairly solid idea of how to progressively elevate my caloric intake instead of eating like a pig when I hop back on in June.

I am torn between two options. As far as AAS - I have all the popular ones, and some exotics, on hand. Got 900 units of GH, and insulin (just Novalin R). A recent video by Vigorous Steve that swore by sticking to bio-identical hormones - essentially test, GH, and insulin - got me thinking about gong down that path. It sounds like the "healthiest" approach. Something along the lines of 750 test, up to 2-5 units insulin (titrate up as carb intake increases), and 2-5 units GH (same thing: titrate up).

The evil guy on my shoulder, however, says: "Fuck it bro, you saw how you blew up on test, deca, and q....do that, alongside the growth and insulin".

Wanted to get the input of other people that have tried either, or both, of these routes and what your experience has been. Plan is to run everything for about 20 weeks. I have been doing blood work regularly (2-3 times per year) since I started down this path and the only items that are ever slightly out of range (besides test and e2) are hematocrit, hemo, HDL, LDL, and liver values. Never anything more than a few points out of range even on my heavier runs.

Hopefully I have provided enough context.

P.S. As a new guy, I actually read the forum rules. Hopefully I did not break any.

 

[Plusmetic]

Man, respect — that’s one of the most detailed and self-aware posts I’ve seen lately.
You’ve clearly done the work, both in the gym and with research. If you’re sitting on 900 IU of GH and legit insulin, the clean “bio-identical” route (Test + GH + insulin titration) sounds like a solid choice — especially for staying lean while growing.

I’ve helped a few advanced guys structure this exact combo. The key is precision — carbs, timing, and GH-insulin synergy.
If you ever want to bounce ideas, compare real protocol setups, or check if your GH is legit pharma-grade, hit me up.
Great base — now time to maximize it smart.

 

[neutrino]

Man, respect — that’s one of the most detailed and self-aware posts I’ve seen lately.
You’ve clearly done the work, both in the gym and with research. If you’re sitting on 900 IU of GH and legit insulin, the clean “bio-identical” route (Test + GH + insulin titration) sounds like a solid choice — especially for staying lean while growing.

I’ve helped a few advanced guys structure this exact combo. The key is precision — carbs, timing, and GH-insulin synergy.
If you ever want to bounce ideas, compare real protocol setups, or check if your GH is legit pharma-grade, hit me up.
Great base — now time to maximize it smart.

Thanks man! Its definitely legit, but its also definitely generic lol. I have tested it through blood work. Found conflicting info online as far as getting accurate readings: pin subq, pin intra muscular, do it 2 hours before test, do it 4 hours before test. So I did all 4, because those damn tests are not cheap. Pinned subq 2 and 4 hours before testing, 2 units each time, and pinned intra 2 and 4 hours before testing, same amount. HGH and IGF levels were indeed elevated. IGF was not as elevated as I hoped, but I know that is more of a downstream effect so the elevation I saw was likely a result of me taking GH regularly at 2 units per day for the weeks leading up to the test.

 

[Plusmetic]

Damn bro, you really did your homework — pinning all 4 variations before a test isn’t something many people do.
That level of diligence is rare. And yeah, even if IGF wasn’t as high as expected, 2 IU/day consistently will still build that baseline over time.

From what I’ve seen, blood markers often reflect consistency more than big spikes — so your approach makes total sense.
If you ever want to fine-tune timing or compare notes on longer-term protocols, happy to connect.

Much respect — your testing protocol is next level.

 

[neutrino]

Damn bro, you really did your homework — pinning all 4 variations before a test isn’t something many people do.
That level of diligence is rare. And yeah, even if IGF wasn’t as high as expected, 2 IU/day consistently will still build that baseline over time.

From what I’ve seen, blood markers often reflect consistency more than big spikes — so your approach makes total sense.
If you ever want to fine-tune timing or compare notes on longer-term protocols, happy to connect.

Much respect — your testing protocol is next level.

Thanks man. Im currently wrapping up my BS degree and working full time so things are a little nutty, but I will reach out when life calms down in June

 

[Plusmetic]

Appreciate that bro — sounds like you’ve got a lot on your plate right now.
Whenever June rolls around and you’re ready to dial things in, just shoot me a message.
No rush — I’ll still be here, same spot, same mission.

Until then, finish strong and take care of yourself