Cycle Critique

[WildBB]

I ordered my first cycle a few weeks ago and I would greatly appreciate some critique before I get started.

Stats
Age 26
Weight 220lbs
Body Fat 11%
Height 6.2

Training begain 7 years ago but only the last 2+ years focused and consistant.

My previous experience is using a PH for two cycles.
I ran one four week cycle of Epistane that finished three months ago and the other 6 months prior. I had good strength gains from both.

I am consuming a balanced diet that is high in protein (300+ grams per day). I consume roughly 3500-4000 Cals per day.

My Training:

Mon: Chest, Shoulders, Tricepts
Tues: Cardio (25min)
Wed: Quads, Hams, Calves
Thurs: Cardio (25min)
Fri: Abs, Back, Bicepts
Saturday: Cardio
Sunday: OFF


Planed Cycle:

Week 1:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 2:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 3:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 4:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 5:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 6:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 7:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 8:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 9:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 10:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 11:
Test-E (500mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 12:
Test-E (500mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 13:
Clomid Therapy, Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED

Week 14:
Clomid Therapy, Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED

Week 15:
Clomid Therapy, Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED

Clomid Therapy:
Week 13: 300 mg(D1),100 mg (D2),100 mg (D3),100 mg (D4),100 mg (D5),100 mg (D6),100 mg (D7)

Week 14: 100 mg(D1),100 mg (D2),100 mg (D3),100 mg (D4),50 mg (D5),50 mg (D6),50 mg (D7)

Week 15: 50 mg(D1),50mg (D2),50 mg (D3),50 mg (D4),50 mg (D5),50 mg (D6),50 mg (D7)

How does my cycle look? All feed back welcome.

Thanks,
WildBB

 

[oldfella]

I ordered my first cycle a few weeks ago and I would greatly appreciate some critique before I get started.

Stats
Age 26
Weight 220lbs
Body Fat 11%
Height 6.2

Training begain 7 years ago but only the last 2+ years focused and consistant.

My previous experience is using a PH for two cycles.
I ran one four week cycle of Epistane that finished three months ago and the other 6 months prior. I had good strength gains from both.

I am consuming a balanced diet that is high in protein (300+ grams per day). I consume roughly 3500-4000 Cals per day.

My Training:

Mon: Chest, Shoulders, Tricepts
Tues: Cardio (25min)
Wed: Quads, Hams, Calves
Thurs: Cardio (25min)
Fri: Abs, Back, Bicepts
Saturday: Cardio
Sunday: OFF


Planed Cycle:

Week 1:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 2:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 3:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 4:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 5:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 6:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 7:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 8:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 9:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 10:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 11:
Test-E (500mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 12:
Test-E (500mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 13:
Clomid Therapy, Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED

Week 14:
Clomid Therapy, Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED

Week 15:
Clomid Therapy, Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED

Clomid Therapy:
Week 13: 300 mg(D1),100 mg (D2),100 mg (D3),100 mg (D4),100 mg (D5),100 mg (D6),100 mg (D7)

Week 14: 100 mg(D1),100 mg (D2),100 mg (D3),100 mg (D4),50 mg (D5),50 mg (D6),50 mg (D7)

Week 15: 50 mg(D1),50mg (D2),50 mg (D3),50 mg (D4),50 mg (D5),50 mg (D6),50 mg (D7)

How does my cycle look? All feed back welcome.

Thanks,
WildBB

Me personally, I don't ike it!! There is no test!! Any good cycle should at least have test. But hey who Am I???

 

[alecaf]

Me personally, I don't ike it!! There is no test!! Any good cycle should at least have test. But hey who Am I???

OF his cycle is Test E and EQ .

However, for a first cycle i would do test only at 250mg/wk for 12 weeks, to see how you react to it, save the EQ for the next one plus som Dbols.

 

[oldfella]

OF his cycle is Test E and EQ .

However, for a first cycle i would do test only at 250mg/wk for 12 weeks, to see how you react to it, save the EQ for the next one plus som Dbols.

So sorry, all I saw was eq in and 500mg in brackets. My apologies, I'll wear my glasses next time, I honestly didn't see the test e in front! LOL.

And I agree with what you are saying. First cycle test only.

 

[WildBB]

So sorry, all I saw was eq in and 500mg in brackets. My apologies, I'll wear my glasses next time, I honestly didn't see the test e in front! LOL.

And I agree with what you are saying. First cycle test only.

OldFella...

As far as the PCT, should I change anything? If i change it to a test only cycle, is 250mg/week enough??

Thanks for your feedback.

WildBB

 

[secaslim]

Hi
start winstrol at week 7 to week 12 !!!250mg test is enough may be good for only the first and the second week!!good luck

 

[WildBB]

Hi
start winstrol at week 7 to week 12 !!!250mg test is enough may be good for only the first and the second week!!good luck

I don't understand... What do you mean "may be good for only first and second week"

Thanks for your help!

WildBB

 

[Force245]

I ordered my first cycle a few weeks ago and I would greatly appreciate some critique before I get started.

Stats
Age 26
Weight 220lbs
Body Fat 11%
Height 6.2

Training begain 7 years ago but only the last 2+ years focused and consistant.

My previous experience is using a PH for two cycles.
I ran one four week cycle of Epistane that finished three months ago and the other 6 months prior. I had good strength gains from both.

I am consuming a balanced diet that is high in protein (300+ grams per day). I consume roughly 3500-4000 Cals per day.

My Training:

Mon: Chest, Shoulders, Tricepts
Tues: Cardio (25min)
Wed: Quads, Hams, Calves
Thurs: Cardio (25min)
Fri: Abs, Back, Bicepts
Saturday: Cardio
Sunday: OFF


Planed Cycle:

Week 1:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 2:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 3:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 4:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 5:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 6:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 7:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 8:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 9:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 10:
Test-E (500mg), Equipoise (400mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED), Winstrol (50mg/ED)

Week 11:
Test-E (500mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 12:
Test-E (500mg), Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED)

Week 13:
Clomid Therapy, Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED

Week 14:
Clomid Therapy, Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED

Week 15:
Clomid Therapy, Nolva (20mg/ED), Vitamin B-6(200mg/ED

Clomid Therapy:
Week 13: 300 mg(D1),100 mg (D2),100 mg (D3),100 mg (D4),100 mg (D5),100 mg (D6),100 mg (D7)

Week 14: 100 mg(D1),100 mg (D2),100 mg (D3),100 mg (D4),50 mg (D5),50 mg (D6),50 mg (D7)

Week 15: 50 mg(D1),50mg (D2),50 mg (D3),50 mg (D4),50 mg (D5),50 mg (D6),50 mg (D7)

How does my cycle look? All feed back welcome.

Thanks,
WildBB

Not too bad IMHO, but as first AAS I would only do Test E by itself. Look for the sides and how your body reacts. If you are determined on this course, then move the winni to the last weeks, not the middle, and give your clomid another week or so to let the Test E die down before pct. If I am right I think its two weeks post test-e for clomid. The Nolv during your cycle may not be needed, personally I would not get any sides from this and Nolv will only damper your gains, albeit by a little though. better on the safe than sorry side though. This is why Test-E first to test it and check for sides.

And OF, well atleast the eyesight matches the name, HA

 

[WildBB]

Not too bad IMHO, but as first AAS I would only do Test E by itself. Look for the sides and how your body reacts. If you are determined on this course, then move the winni to the last weeks, not the middle, and give your clomid another week or so to let the Test E die down before pct. If I am right I think its two weeks post test-e for clomid. The Nolv during your cycle may not be needed, personally I would not get any sides from this and Nolv will only damper your gains, albeit by a little though. better on the safe than sorry side though. This is why Test-E first to test it and check for sides.

And OF, well atleast the eyesight matches the name, HA

Thanks for your comments! Good Ideas!

So, are you saying I should taper off the test slowly? Is 250mg a week a norm for a first time Test-E cycle...???

My current goals are to move up to 240lbs with 7-8%BF.

Thanks again...

 

[Force245]

Thanks for your comments! Good Ideas!

So, are you saying I should taper off the test slowly? Is 250mg a week a norm for a first time Test-E cycle...???

My current goals are to move up to 240lbs with 7-8%BF.

Thanks again...

240 is a good goal, but twenty pounds in one cycle might be far fetched. Realistically five to eight pounds with lower body fat is going to be a big difference on a person's frame. I would not taper off, just my thoughts, cause your body does not really know mg's of test in blood. It only knows excess or deficiency. If your pct is good, then you will be fine on the cut off withou taper if you start your pct correctly.

A mg of 250 to 500 is great first starter.

 

[WildBB]

240 is a good goal, but twenty pounds in one cycle might be far fetched. Realistically five to eight pounds with lower body fat is going to be a big difference on a person's frame. I would not taper off, just my thoughts, cause your body does not really know mg's of test in blood. It only knows excess or deficiency. If your pct is good, then you will be fine on the cut off withou taper if you start your pct correctly.

A mg of 250 to 500 is great first starter.

What do you think of my PCT? Is it strong enough? Do I still need Nolva during the cycle?

Thanks!

WildBB

 

[Force245]

to be honest, I'm not the one to ask about pct. I've never used it and since I
probably never gear up again, I wouldn't know. The standard i've seen is both clomid and nolv, but since you might start out and finish with low dosage, clom might do good, but hopefully someone with better pct experience will chime in...

and yes, since I've mostly screwed up gains from every past cycle and only kept about twenty percent gains each time and gained tons of fat, I am a big proponent of pct. If I ever geared up again, I would have a solid pct set.

 

[WildBB]

to be honest, I'm not the one to ask about pct. I've never used it and since I
probably never gear up again, I wouldn't know. The standard i've seen is both clomid and nolv, but since you might start out and finish with low dosage, clom might do good, but hopefully someone with better pct experience will chime in...

and yes, since I've mostly screwed up gains from every past cycle and only kept about twenty percent gains each time and gained tons of fat, I am a big proponent of pct. If I ever geared up again, I would have a solid pct set.

I know I am getting side tracked from my main questions, but what percentage of gains do most people keep once PCT is concluded.

WildBB

 

[oldfella]

My opinion of Nolva is this, use it if you have to, meaning if you suspect gyno then use it, if you get no neg sides then do not use it. As for PCT nolva is not the best chiose for this. HCG and clomid are better. And yes 250 mg/wk all the way through would do you just fine as a first cycle. Slow steady gains with minimal sides, this is the kind of cycle you want!!

 

[alecaf]

My opinion of Nolva is this, use it if you have to, meaning if you suspect gyno then use it, if you get no neg sides then do not use it. As for PCT nolva is not the best chiose for this. HCG and clomid are better. And yes 250 mg/wk all the way through would do you just fine as a first cycle. Slow steady gains with minimal sides, this is the kind of cycle you want!!

OF this is great advice. But i have one question, you are sugesting the use of hcg as PCT rather than during cycle? or both. Also is HCG fine to run PCT only lets say HCG, nolva, clomid?

 

[oldfella]

OF this is great advice. But i have one question, you are sugesting the use of hcg as PCT rather than during cycle? or both. Also is HCG fine to run PCT only lets say HCG, nolva, clomid?

Can be done for both. You can start some hcg near the end of cycle and then run the clomid as you finish hcg. But can be done during cycle yes. I've never been big on nolva after your cycle unless there are probs with some gyno, but it is always wise to have on hand!!

 

[KillerStack]

My opinion of Nolva is this, use it if you have to, meaning if you suspect gyno then use it, if you get no neg sides then do not use it. As for PCT nolva is not the best chiose for this. HCG and clomid are better. And yes 250 mg/wk all the way through would do you just fine as a first cycle. Slow steady gains with minimal sides, this is the kind of cycle you want!!

Why is Clomid better than Nolva for PCT?

 

[WildBB]

Why is Clomid better than Nolva for PCT?

I have heard that Clomid and Nolva combined works well for a PCT. Are you saying that Nolva should only be used at early signs of gyno?

Also, what type of dosage and when would you take hCG during the cycle?

WildBB

 

[KillerStack]

I have heard that Clomid and Nolva combined works well for a PCT. Are you saying that Nolva should only be used at early signs of gyno?

Also, what type of dosage and when would you take hCG during the cycle?

WildBB

I'm saying that Nolva may be as good or better than Clomid post cycle.*

I'd do the HCG the way "SWALE" does with his HRT patients. I think it's about 250iu twice weekly throughout. Never more than 500iu per shot (more doesn't increase test further).

*

Clomid, Nolvadex and Testosterone Stimulation
By William Llewellyn


I have received a lot of heat lately about my preference for Nolvadex over Clomid, which I hold for all purposes of use (in the bodybuilding world anyway); as an anti-estrogen, an HDL (good) cholesterol-supporting drug, and as a testosterone-stimulating compound. Most people use Nolvadex to combat gynecomastia over Clomid anyway, so that is an easy sell. And for cholesterol, well, most bodybuilders unfortunately pay little attention to this important issue, so by way of disinterest, another easy opinion to discuss. But when it comes to using Nolvadex for increasing endogenous testosterone release, bodybuilders just do not want to hear it. They only seem to want Clomid. I can only guess that this is based on a long rooted misunderstanding of the actions of the two drugs. In this article I would therefore like to discuss the specifics for these two agents, and explain clearly the usefulness of Nolvadex for the specific purpose of increasing testosterone production.



Clomid and Nolvadex

I am not sure how Clomid and Nolvadex became so separated in the minds of bodybuilders. They certainly should not be. Clomid and Nolvadex are both anti-estrogens belonging to the same group of triphenylethylene compounds. They are structurally related and specifically classified as selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) with mixed agonistic and antagonistic properties. This means that in certain tissues they can block the effects of estrogen, by altering the binding capacity of the receptor, while in others they can act as actual estrogens, activating the receptor. In men, both of these drugs act as anti-estrogens in their capacity to oppose the negative feedback of estrogens on the hypothalamus and stimulate the heightened release of GnRH (Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone). LH output by the pituitary will be increased as a result, which in turn can increase the level of testosterone by the testes. Both drugs do this, but for some reason bodybuilders persist in thinking that Clomid is the only drug good at stimulating testosterone. What you will find with a little investigation however is that not only is Nolvadex useful for the same purpose, it should actually be the preferred agent of the two.

Studies conducted in the late 1970's at the University of Ghent in Belgium make clear the advantages of using Nolvadex instead of Clomid for increasing testosterone levels (1). Here, researchers looked the effects of Nolvadex and Clomid on the endocrine profiles of normal men, as well as those suffering from low sperm counts (oligospermia). For our purposes, the results of these drugs on hormonally normal men are obviously the most relevant. What was found, just in the early parts of the study, was quite enlightening. Nolvadex, used for 10 days at a dosage of 20mg daily, increased serum testosterone levels to 142% of baseline, which was on par with the effect of 150mg of Clomid daily for the same duration (the testosterone increase was slightly, but not significantly, better for Clomid). We must remember though that this is the effect of three 50mg tablets of Clomid. With the price of both a 50mg Clomid and 20mg Nolvadex typically very similar, we are already seeing a cost vs. results discrepancy forming that strongly favors the Nolvadex side.



Pituitary Sensitivity to GnRH

But something more interesting is happening. Researchers were also conducting GnRH stimulation tests before and after various points of treatment with Nolvadex and Clomid, and the two drugs had markedly different results. These tests involved infusing patients with 100mcg of GnRH and measuring the output of pituitary LH in response. The focus of this test is to see how sensitive the pituitary is to Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone. The more sensitive the pituitary, the more LH will be released. The tests showed that after ten days of treatment with Nolvadex, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH increased slightly compared to pre-treated values. This is contrast to 10 days of treatment with 150mg Clomid, which was shown to consistently DECREASE pituitary sensitivity to GnRH (more LH was released before treatment). As the study with Nolvadex progresses to 6 weeks, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH was significantly higher than pre-treated or 10-day levels. At this point the same 20mg dosage was also raising testosterone and LH levels to an average of 183% and 172% of base values, respectively, which again is measurably higher than what was noted 10 days into therapy. Within 10 days of treatment Clomid is already exerting an effect that is causing the pituitary to become slightly desensitized to GnRH, while prolonged use of Nolvadex serves only to increase pituitary sensitivity to this hormone. That is not to say Clomid won't increase testosterone if taken for the same 6 week time period. Quite the opposite is true. But we are, however, noticing an advantage in Nolvadex.



The Estrogen Clomid

The above discrepancies are likely explained by differences in the estrogenic nature of the two compounds. The researchers' clearly support this theory when commenting in their paper, "The difference in response might be attributable to the weak intrinsic estrogenic effect of Clomid, which in this study manifested itself by an increase in transcortin and testosterone/estradiol-binding globulin [SHBG] levels; this increase was not observed after tamoxifen treatment". In reviewing other theories later in the paper, such as interference by increased androgen or estrogen levels, they persist in noting that increases in these hormones were similar with both drug treatments, and state that," …a role of the intrinsic estrogenic activity of Clomid which is practically absent in Tamoxifen seems the most probable explanation".

Although these two are related anti-estrogens, they appear to act very differently at different sites of action. Nolvadex seems to be strongly anti-estrogenic at both the hypothalamus and pituitary, which is in contrast to Clomid, which although a strong anti-estrogen at the hypothalamus, seems to exhibit weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary. To find further support for this we can look at an in-vitro animal study published in the American Journal of Physiology in February 1981 (2). This paper looks at the effects of Clomid and Nolvadex on the GnRH stimulated release of LH from cultured rat pituitary cells. In this paper, it was noted that incubating cells with Clomid had a direct estrogenic effect on cultured pituitary cell sensitivity, exerting a weaker but still significant effect compared to estradiol. Nolvadex on the other hand did not have any significant effect on LH response. Furthermore it mildly blocked the effects of estrogen when both were incubated in the same culture.



Conclusion

To summarize the above research succinctly, Nolvadex is the more purely anti-estrogenic of the two drugs, at least where the HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis) is concerned. This fact enables Nolvadex to offer the male bodybuilder certain advantages over Clomid. This is especially true at times when we are looking to restore a balanced HPTA, and would not want to desensitize the pituitary to GnRH. This could perhaps slow recovery to some extent, as the pituitary would require higher amounts of hypothalamic GnRH in the presence of Clomid in order to get the same level of LH stimulation.

Nolvadex also seems preferred from long-term use, for those who find anti-estrogens effective enough at raising testosterone levels to warrant using as anabolics. Here Nolvadex would seem to provide a better and more stable increase in testosterone levels, and likely will offer a similar or greater effect than Clomid for considerably less money. The potential rise in SHBG levels with Clomid, supported by other research (3), is also cause for concern, as this might work to allow for comparably less free active testosterone compared to Nolvadex as well. Ultimately both drugs are effective anti-estrogens for the prevention of gyno and elevation of endogenous testosterone, however the above research provides enough evidence for me to choose Nolvadex every time.

In next month's follow-up article I will be discussing the role anti-estrogens play in post-cycle testosterone recovery. Most specifically, I will be detailing what a proper post-cycle ancillary drug program looks like, and explain why anti-estrogens alone are not effective during this window of time.


References
1. Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men. Vermeulen, Comhaire. Fertil and Steril 29 (1978) 320-7

2. Disparate effect of clomiphene and tamoxifen on pituitary gonadotropin release in vitro. Adashi EY, Hsueh AJ, Bambino TH, Yen SS. Am J Physiol 1981 Feb;240(2):E125-30

3. The effect of clomiphene citrate on sex hormone binding globulin in normospermic and oligozoospermic men. Adamopoulos, Kapolla et al. Int J Androl 4 (1981) 639-45

 

[WildBB]

I'm saying that Nolva may be as good or better than Clomid post cycle.*

I'd do the HCG the way "SWALE" does with his HRT patients. I think it's about 250iu twice weekly throughout. Never more than 500iu per shot (more doesn't increase test further).

*

Killer...Thanks for that awesome post! I really appreciate all of the help I can get!

Back to my previous question, what do you think of my PCT? Is it currently strong enough?

And what percentage of gains should I expect to keep once PCT is concluded.

Thanks!

WildBB