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cycle + diet help

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Hello all, im not new to this but ive been away from it all for a few years so I thought id start back here. Ive just gotten back into mma after a year off an im looking gain quality muscle while dropping down to 6% bf. my stats are 5'11 185 15% bf
The cycle im looking at is 100mg of test p/tren a/ mast eod for 12 weeks
- 50 mg winny ed for 4 weeks
-.5mg arimidex ed for 12 weeks
- 80 mcg clen ed
- 50mcg t3 ed

Any help with cycle and a good diet would be appreciated.....diet is not my strong point......
 
Nutrition is always the biggest challenge. With out proper nutrition your gains on the cycle will not come close to what they could be with proper nutrition. Why don't you post up your current nutrition plan with macros for us to look at?
 
total calories are what matter when trying to gain(add mass) or lose(cut) weight period. get yourself in a caloric deficit via from cardio, eat less than you burn or a combo of both. boom!... fat loss :)
 
total calories are what matter when trying to gain(add mass) or lose(cut) weight period. get yourself in a caloric deficit via from cardio, eat less than you burn or a combo of both. boom!... fat loss :)

Not really, for weight loss or gain Yes but this is body building and body composition were talking. Macros and food choices more important. Well timed refeeds allow you to lose weight by increasing weekly calories for example. Keeping insulin levels lower and stable when cutting goes a long way. Choosing the right fats makes a big difference. You can lose body fat on a lot more calories than most people think when you learn how to manipulate insulin and leptin. You can gain muscle on less calories than you think when you focus on nutrient density and maintaining insulin sensitivity. Calories are so overrated. Count macros not calories and keep carbs complex with plenty of fibre and protein every meal whether bulking or cutting. Work with a very good prep coach and you'll get leaner while holding bodyweight. scales weight means nothing.

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Not really, for weight loss or gain Yes but this is body building and body composition were talking. Macros and food choices more important. Well timed refeeds allow you to lose weight by increasing weekly calories for example. Keeping insulin levels lower and stable when cutting goes a long way. Choosing the right fats makes a big difference. You can lose body fat on a lot more calories than most people think when you learn how to manipulate insulin and leptin. You can gain muscle on less calories than you think when you focus on nutrient density and maintaining insulin sensitivity. Calories are so overrated. Count macros not calories and keep carbs complex with plenty of fibre and protein every meal whether bulking or cutting. Work with a very good prep coach and you'll get leaner while holding bodyweight. scales weight means nothing.

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I'm gonna agree to disagree on your philsophy. You're not gonna gain muscle in a caloric deficit UNLESS you're on the right hormones. It's just not possible. Now I will agree with you that you can hold muscle and get lean with a prep coach though
 
I'm gonna agree to disagree on your philsophy. You're not gonna gain muscle in a caloric deficit UNLESS you're on the right hormones. It's just not possible. Now I will agree with you that you can hold muscle and get lean with a prep coach though

I said nothing about deficit. You can eat maintaince and gain. Hire some one like shelby or John meadows and your see. It exactly what I did and continue to do now. Im still gaining muscle while holding body weight and leaning up no silly doses quite a bit of food, just the right food and the right macros. These guys will change your out look on What's possible

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I said nothing about deficit. You can eat maintaince and gain. Hire some one like shelby or John meadows and your see. It exactly what I did and continue to do now. Im still gaining muscle while holding body weight and leaning up no silly doses quite a bit of food, just the right food and the right macros. These guys will change your out look on What's possible

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Touché
 

I used to think it was all calories. Learnt s lot from pro muscle and working with shelby and I mean a lot. These guys totally change your perspective though. still learning and will till the day I die, i love this shit. Didn't mean to cover across as argumentative btw. Tone didn't really come over on text and I'm just enthusiastic on the subject;)

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I used to think it was all calories. Learnt s lot from pro muscle and working with shelby and I mean a lot. These guys totally change your perspective though. still learning and will till the day I die, i love this shit. Didn't mean to cover across as argumentative btw. Tone didn't really come over on text and I'm just enthusiastic on the subject;)

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not argumentative at all, i am in the same boat. i love learning every day, this board is by far the best on the net! i enjoyed our chat brotha :headbang:
 
not argumentative at all, i am in the same boat. i love learning every day, this board is by far the best on the net! i enjoyed our chat brotha :headbang:

Good;)

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Great info guys! Being in mma im really trying to stay as small as possible and as strong as possible.....Would you recommend that I cut down on no hormones first then go for strength or with the tren would it be possible to lose weight while boosting my strength a little?
 
Sammy, Maybe I missed something but macros in your diet are all about calories. You have to know how many calories you need to grow, lose fat, maintain. Then you work out the macros based on those calories and adjust from there. Maybe you have not had to worry about calories if your prep guy has worked out how many grams of Protein, carbs and fats you need each meal/day, but I can assure you the calorie count in those macros are a very important part of your daily intake. So to make a statement that calories do not matter in not quite right.
 
Sammy, Maybe I missed something but macros in your diet are all about calories. You have to know how many calories you need to grow, lose fat, maintain. Then you work out the macros based on those calories and adjust from there. Maybe you have not had to worry about calories if your prep guy has worked out how many grams of Protein, carbs and fats you need each meal/day, but I can assure you the calorie count in those macros are a very important part of your daily intake. So to make a statement that calories do not matter in not quite right.

Not saying calories don't matter that would be silly. Just that you can cut on a lot more calories when macros are right. A cheat meal or refeed day for example put your weekly calories higher but brings bodyweight down due to hormone and metabolism manipulation. Sleep deprivation and stress have 0 calories but impact fat loss greatly. Fibre and protein slow digestion of carbs leading to less insulin spike and improved fat Loss. 0 carb days Deplete glycogen and allow an anabolic rebound where you can eat more carbs and get improved partitioning. Calories are important Yes but there's a far bigger picture. You body is not s closed loop system and will adapt to lower calories rather quickly. My calories didn't come down cutting really. Finished on about 3000 where I started. Just kept jump starting metabolism with cheat meals once a week after week 3

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Not saying calories don't matter that would be silly. Just that you can cut on a lot more calories when macros are right. A cheat meal or refeed day for example put your weekly calories higher but brings bodyweight down due to hormone and metabolism manipulation. Sleep deprivation and stress have 0 calories but impact fat loss greatly. Fibre and protein slow digestion of carbs leading to less insulin spike and improved fat Loss. 0 carb days Deplete glycogen and allow an anabolic rebound where you can eat more carbs and get improved partitioning. Calories are important Yes but there's a far bigger picture. You body is not s closed loop system and will adapt to lower calories rather quickly. My calories didn't come down cutting really. Finished on about 3000 where I started. Just kept jump starting metabolism with cheat meals once a week after week 3

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AHHH now this is more like it. Agree with this.
 

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