cycle opinion

teku135 · Sep 18, 2017

16 week cycle
750 test e
100 tren e
tbol 25/50 mg 3 weeks/3 weeks ( first 6 weeks only)

What do you guys think? I'm a recreational lifter and looking to gain a little size and drop some fat. I want to stay at about maintenance calories. I know the tren is really low but I just want it for the cortisol control and nutrient partitioning. Also, makes my muscles look sooo dam good haha.

goal245 · Sep 18, 2017

You'll get huge...

juggy38 · Sep 18, 2017

Is this your first cycle?

teku135 · Sep 18, 2017

Sorry forgot to post, I did a few test e 500 cycles, then test with tren at low ammounts. 250 test 200 tren. I have done 7-8 cycles before, never used tbol. 32 years old, about 12% body fat.

teku135 · Sep 19, 2017

little slice · Sep 19, 2017

looks fine

probably need adex .5mg EOD

bieberhole69 · Sep 19, 2017

teku135 said:
Sorry forgot to post, I did a few test e 500 cycles, then test with tren at low ammounts. 250 test 200 tren. I have done 7-8 cycles before, never used tbol. 32 years old, about 12% body fat.

Something to consider since I'm the same age as you...

That 100 tren a week won't do much except (most likely, but maybe not...you'll have to get the bloodwork to see) negatively impact your lipids. Will it generate a little strength? Probably...but nothing grandiose. Orals also trash lipids more than most think. At lower doses than most think.

I'm only mentioning this because it may be time to start thinking more about health, especially since you're only a recreational lifter. If I had to compromise, I'd pick one or the other. Probably tren. And run it a little higher. But doing test + the oral would be fine too (just tbol is pretty weak and you're wanting to run a lower dose).

Or just hit the 750 test a week and milk it since you've never really gone above 500mg before. Nail the diet, train your ass off, and sleep good too. You'll see better gains. Save the tren for when you diet.

If you absolutely have to run tren, I think 500 test / 300-350 tren would be a better progression from your previous cycles than what you have listed.

Rainmanisback · Sep 19, 2017

teku135 said:
16 week cycle
750 test e
100 tren e
tbol 25/50 mg 3 weeks/3 weeks ( first 6 weeks only)

What do you guys think? I'm a recreational lifter and looking to gain a little size and drop some fat. I want to stay at about maintenance calories. I know the tren is really low but I just want it for the cortisol control and nutrient partitioning. Also, makes my muscles look sooo dam good haha.

From experience... 16 weeks of tren straight is not a good idea... if you want to run it as long as possible... use tren ace first 6 weeks, change to masteron for 4 weeks and finish with tren ace another 6 weeks

2swole79 · Sep 19, 2017

I know everyone has their own opinions and experiences...but I can personally attest to the fact that 100mg tren, week can provide results. You're diet will need to be nailed down, and like slice said control Estrogen with an A.I. I prefer aromasin to arimidex until test gets over 500mgs/ week or so, for whatever reason aromasin is just either to weak or too short acting, but Ive had much more stable bloods with arimidex. If you are concerned about sides from orals...tbol is probably about as mild on sides as any, and you may want to consider something more like 50mgs only preworkout 4 days/week with all your standard supps to control lipids and a little liver support.

Broseph11 · Sep 19, 2017

Any interest in running higher tren than test? Say maybe 300-400 tren 150-300 test? I usually get less sides when my test is low and i always run tren ace. Only stay on max 8 weeks tren and thats more than enough if everything is dialed in. Good luck

thebigbus · Sep 19, 2017

bieberhole69 said:
Something to consider since I'm the same age as you...

That 100 tren a week won't do much except (most likely, but maybe not...you'll have to get the bloodwork to see) negatively impact your lipids. Will it generate a little strength? Probably...but nothing grandiose. Orals also trash lipids more than most think. At lower doses than most think.

I'm only mentioning this because it may be time to start thinking more about health, especially since you're only a recreational lifter. If I had to compromise, I'd pick one or the other. Probably tren. And run it a little higher. But doing test + the oral would be fine too (just tbol is pretty weak and you're wanting to run a lower dose).

Or just hit the 750 test a week and milk it since you've never really gone above 500mg before. Nail the diet, train your ass off, and sleep good too. You'll see better gains. Save the tren for when you diet.

If you absolutely have to run tren, I think 500 test / 300-350 tren would be a better progression from your previous cycles than what you have listed.

^^ spot on. Tren and oral have both wrecked my HDL. Test doesn't, and even mast doesn't. Now that I'm about to be 38, I think i'm done with both tren and orals :-/

prospect · Sep 19, 2017

Depending on your goals, I'm a big fan of low dose tren e. I've ran it at 200/wk several times with great results and no sides.

alfresco · Sep 19, 2017

Just my opinion . . . is this useful?

teku135 said:
16 week cycle
750 test e
100 tren e
tbol 25/50 mg 3 weeks/3 weeks ( first 6 weeks only)

What do you guys think? I'm a recreational lifter and looking to gain a little size and drop some fat. I want to stay at about maintenance calories. I know the tren is really low but I just want it for the cortisol control and nutrient partitioning. Also, makes my muscles look sooo dam good haha.

Would you mind posting a foto?

You probably don’t need to take a thing. Just get your training and
diet in order. Why complicate things? Why take the easy way out?
Those muscles will not be ‘yours’ and are easily lost, taken away.

So you have done a few cycles in the past. What stuck? And what
make you think things will be different now with higher dosages?
Sure you might gain more muscle but did you keep your gains from
last few runs? Maybe you did but then again, maybe you didn’t.
And from the ‘tone’ of your message, probably not. So now, it’s just
more risk only to lose your gains again otherwise why would you be
doing it all over again?

It’s literally a vicious circle for ‘a recreational lifter and looking to
gain a little size’. This yo-yoing is harder on your body than you
think.

I know this is not a popular opinion, especially on a steroid driven board.
Not ‘hating’ you or AAS, or telling you what to do. Just questioning your
reasoning and offering you my opinion, my way of thinking and my
thoughts, only wanting the best for you . . . hard to believe I know.

LK3 · Sep 19, 2017

teku135 said:
16 week cycle
750 test e
100 tren e
tbol 25/50 mg 3 weeks/3 weeks ( first 6 weeks only)

What do you guys think? I'm a recreational lifter and looking to gain a little size and drop some fat. I want to stay at about maintenance calories. I know the tren is really low but I just want it for the cortisol control and nutrient partitioning. Also, makes my muscles look sooo dam good haha.

im kinda shocked that people still think this way.
somebody asked me something similar in the gym the other day...
such a tricky question to answser properly since the question is sooooo BAD!!!! LOL

:banghead::banghead:

seriously i dont mean this like in a mean way, its just this line of thinking just misses the whole point.

i keep trying to make a clear intelegent post on this, my computer is frustrating the shit out of me n my fingers suck!

i think that your concept of all this is way off.
need to get back to basics.
:lightbulb:

Gunsmith · Sep 19, 2017

What sort of diet and training are you planing to use???

What were you on when you were you biggest and leanest??

LK3 · Sep 19, 2017

alfresco said:
Would you mind posting a foto?

You probably don’t need to take a thing. Just get your training and
diet in order. Why complicate things? Why take the easy way out?
Those muscles will not be ‘yours’ and are easily lost, taken away.

So you have done a few cycles in the past. What stuck? And what
make you think things will be different now with higher dosages?
Sure you might gain more muscle but did you keep your gains from
last few runs? Maybe you did but then again, maybe you didn’t.
And from the ‘tone’ of your message, probably not. So now, it’s just
more risk only to lose your gains again otherwise why would you be
doing it all over again?

It’s literally a vicious circle for ‘a recreational lifter and looking to
gain a little size’. This yo-yoing is harder on your body than you
think.

I know this is not a popular opinion, especially on a steroid driven board.
Not ‘hating’ you or AAS, or telling you what to do. Just questioning your
reasoning and offering you my opinion, my way of thinking and my
thoughts, only wanting the best for you . . . hard to believe I know.

this is a great post!
this is the problem.

cycles
rather then training!
people just endlessly going to the gym, "trying" shit, doing cycles...:banghead:

we are supposed to be training!
training is work
training is fucking hard!
training, dripping sweat...
how many people sweat in the gym these days?

trying to get my lazy ass back into shit n this concept seems to be missing!
train to the utmost potential. use a lil drugs to get to the next point, create new set point, repeat the drug thing.

the problem is drugs work a lil too well.
they take they make it easy to take the emphasis off of training.
training is what this is supposed to be about.

training....

:headbang: