Cycles (bulk/cut) over 50

[RepZZ]

I searched and couldn't find any good info for examples of good bulk and cut cycles for guys over 50. I'm 54 and have used many compounds. As I'm aging, the response is changing. I have loved Deca with Test for years but now I'm getting more sides from it.

I didn't see any "stickies" for bulk/cut on here but would love to hear from the older BB guys about what they are using and doses in your 50's.

I used to jump start my bulk with some Superdrol, but that now destroys me. I can tolerate A50 well.

Any examples of bulk/cut including supplements would be appreciated. Thank you in advance

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I searched and couldn't find any good info for examples of good bulk and cut cycles for guys over 50. I'm 54 and have used many compounds. As I'm aging, the response is changing. I have loved Deca with Test for years but now I'm getting more sides from it.

I didn't see any "stickies" for bulk/cut on here but would love to hear from the older BB guys about what they are using and doses in your 50's.

I used to jump start my bulk with some Superdrol, but that now destroys me. I can tolerate A50 well.

Any examples of bulk/cut including supplements would be appreciated. Thank you in advance

im gonna be honest with you, i dont think ANY PERSON HERE is going to suggest you do bulks and cuts on 50 years old. You need a reality check if you're thinking this is A. necessary and B. safe. At this point in your fitness career, the big weight swings will cause more damage than good. Realistically, you should be staying lean year round. No one is saying you cant blast. There are several 50+ guys here rotating between TRT and TRT+ cycles. But the idea of "bulking" and "cutting" aint happening at your age man. Just trying to keep it real with you.

 

[hawkmoon]

I'm 56 and I haven't "bulked and cut" for a long long time. If I wasn't still side-eyeing competiton I'd be on TRT+.
Bulking in general, enhanced or natural IMO is a bad idea when older.

You have described your body giving you direct feedback to PEDs.
Listen to it - don't look for ways around it.

 

[Fleezy]

‘Main gain’ with Reta

 

[comedycentral]

I'm 56 and I haven't "bulked and cut" for a long long time. If I wasn't still side-eyeing competiton I'd be on TRT+.
Bulking in general, enhanced or natural IMO is a bad idea when older.

You have described your body giving you direct feedback to PEDs.
Listen to it - don't look for ways around it.

Can I please ask what you would consider the plus amount over prescribed trt. Thank you

 

[hawkmoon]

My plan is 300mg test + 150 Deca.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

50+ stack

300 mg test
2-6 iu hgh
Reta

Welcome to old age

 

[RepZZ]

im gonna be honest with you, i dont think ANY PERSON HERE is going to suggest you do bulks and cuts on 50 years old. You need a reality check if you're thinking this is A. necessary and B. safe. At this point in your fitness career, the big weight swings will cause more damage than good. Realistically, you should be staying lean year round. No one is saying you cant blast. There are several 50+ guys here rotating between TRT and TRT+ cycles. But the idea of "bulking" and "cutting" aint happening at your age man. Just trying to keep it real with you.

I generally keep my test at 250mg and like to add a compound to add a little size (bulk/blast) and then in the Spring, get those abs out nice (test/gh). When I bulk/blast, I'll push the test to 450mg and have always added deca at 200-250mg or EQ. The Deca hits me different now. I use A-50 occasionally but I'm looking for some advice on trying mast or some other compounds. Being 54 is def different and I'm mindful of my age. Love to know what other old guys like me run including supps. Thanks

 

[tommyguns2]

I’m 58 and in contest prep. My PEDs list is:
Test 50mg ED
EQ 30mg ED
NPP 20mg ED
GH 5 IUs ED

5’9” 212lbs
22 weeks from contest #1 and 24 weeks from contest #2.

 

[FrenchBench22]

One of my close friends is a masters 212 pro, he is 59 this year. He works with a popular coach in Spain. He competed in bodybuilding for over 20 years, and was an athlete in other sports before that.

His off-season is typically 1000-1500/300-600/300 test, eq or primo, and deca. He uses anavar sometimes in off-season. Gh 4-6iu. Contest prep is typical 350/350/350 test tren mast, anavar and winstrol last 2-4 weeks. Gh 6-8iu.

Sometime last year his body stopped responding like usual. Wasn't responding to food, training, or drugs.

His bloodwork showed that his blood glucose, fasted insulin, CRP, ESR (sedimentation rate) were starting to elevate.
He ended off-season and went to cruise 400 test, his inflammation and insulin sensitivity got worse.
Some diet changes, detox, peptides (BPC/TB/KPV,MotsC,Reta) and not much improvement.
He lowered to 250 test, lowered his protein from 300g to 200g, kept carbs around 200g every day, fats are always low-moderate (10-30g added fats), and things started to improve.
3 months later, after more regular cardio (daily 30 minutes LISS became daily 60 minutes, and added 3 HIIT sessions per week), and he's sleeping better, stress and inflammation markers came down, responding to food and training again.
He tried to start an off-season with 750 test and kept food low, but by 3-4 weeks in he felt miserable, fasted blood glucose was >100, couldn't sleep. His body said enough is enough. No more competitions.

Now he is just on trt 250, 3iu gh. Trains 5 days a week, LISS every day, HIIT 2-3 times a week, protein is low, carbs moderate.

Why do I mention this? Some guys are in their 50s and still pushing their bodies to the limits. Some guys are in their 50s just on trt and trying to maintain and preserve whatever health they have. Some guys say it depends on how long you've been training and pushing your bodies, some say neither of those matter. What you do is ultimately based on your goals and expectations, what you're willing to put your body through, and what your body is willing to tolerate. What someone else does might not have any relevance for you or your body. But it can be helpful or at least entertaining to learn other perspectives.

 

[hawkmoon]

One of my close friends is a masters 212 pro, he is 59 this year. He works with a popular coach in Spain. He competed in bodybuilding for over 20 years, and was an athlete in other sports before that.

His off-season is typically 1000-1500/300-600/300 test, eq or primo, and deca. He uses anavar sometimes in off-season. Gh 4-6iu. Contest prep is typical 350/350/350 test tren mast, anavar and winstrol last 2-4 weeks. Gh 6-8iu.

Sometime last year his body stopped responding like usual. Wasn't responding to food, training, or drugs.

His bloodwork showed that his blood glucose, fasted insulin, CRP, ESR (sedimentation rate) were starting to elevate.
He ended off-season and went to cruise 400 test, his inflammation and insulin sensitivity got worse.
Some diet changes, detox, peptides (BPC/TB/KPV,MotsC,Reta) and not much improvement.
He lowered to 250 test, lowered his protein from 300g to 200g, kept carbs around 200g every day, fats are always low-moderate (10-30g added fats), and things started to improve.
3 months later, after more regular cardio (daily 30 minutes LISS became daily 60 minutes, and added 3 HIIT sessions per week), and he's sleeping better, stress and inflammation markers came down, responding to food and training again.
He tried to start an off-season with 750 test and kept food low, but by 3-4 weeks in he felt miserable, fasted blood glucose was >100, couldn't sleep. His body said enough is enough. No more competitions.

Now he is just on trt 250, 3iu gh. Trains 5 days a week, LISS every day, HIIT 2-3 times a week, protein is low, carbs moderate.

Why do I mention this? Some guys are in their 50s and still pushing their bodies to the limits. Some guys are in their 50s just on trt and trying to maintain and preserve whatever health they have. Some guys say it depends on how long you've been training and pushing your bodies, some say neither of those matter. What you do is ultimately based on your goals and expectations, what you're willing to put your body through, and what your body is willing to tolerate. What someone else does might not have any relevance for you or your body. But it can be helpful or at least entertaining to learn other perspectives.

Thank you for sharing this. People need to understand that both 50+ is not a monolith and that we should listen to our bodies.

 

[qbkilla]

I agree with the advice given and id even say it is appropriate after 40, not just 50. Priorities change...imo bulking blasting trying to set PR after 40...is playing with fire.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I agree with the advice given and id even say it is appropriate after 40, not just 50. Priorities change...imo bulking blasting trying to set PR after 40...is playing with fire.

Whoa whoa whoa… nothing wrong with pushing for higher weights! Let’s not kill all the fun!

I think you mean more “ego lifting” though. Loading up weights you have no business attempting.

 

[chooch]

I turn 51 in a couple of days and I have to admit that lately my focus has switched more to a healthy lifestyle then trying to be large. Even though I feel great, in the back of my head I feel like I know it’s time. Maybe I could push it a few more years but is it really worth it? Dropped about 15lbs lately and may go a bit more. I can’t really answer your question, I just know it’s time for me to reel it in some and I think at some point we all have to face this same reality.

 

[RepZZ]

One of my close friends is a masters 212 pro, he is 59 this year. He works with a popular coach in Spain. He competed in bodybuilding for over 20 years, and was an athlete in other sports before that.

His off-season is typically 1000-1500/300-600/300 test, eq or primo, and deca. He uses anavar sometimes in off-season. Gh 4-6iu. Contest prep is typical 350/350/350 test tren mast, anavar and winstrol last 2-4 weeks. Gh 6-8iu.

Sometime last year his body stopped responding like usual. Wasn't responding to food, training, or drugs.

His bloodwork showed that his blood glucose, fasted insulin, CRP, ESR (sedimentation rate) were starting to elevate.
He ended off-season and went to cruise 400 test, his inflammation and insulin sensitivity got worse.
Some diet changes, detox, peptides (BPC/TB/KPV,MotsC,Reta) and not much improvement.
He lowered to 250 test, lowered his protein from 300g to 200g, kept carbs around 200g every day, fats are always low-moderate (10-30g added fats), and things started to improve.
3 months later, after more regular cardio (daily 30 minutes LISS became daily 60 minutes, and added 3 HIIT sessions per week), and he's sleeping better, stress and inflammation markers came down, responding to food and training again.
He tried to start an off-season with 750 test and kept food low, but by 3-4 weeks in he felt miserable, fasted blood glucose was >100, couldn't sleep. His body said enough is enough. No more competitions.

Now he is just on trt 250, 3iu gh. Trains 5 days a week, LISS every day, HIIT 2-3 times a week, protein is low, carbs moderate.

Why do I mention this? Some guys are in their 50s and still pushing their bodies to the limits. Some guys are in their 50s just on trt and trying to maintain and preserve whatever health they have. Some guys say it depends on how long you've been training and pushing your bodies, some say neither of those matter. What you do is ultimately based on your goals and expectations, what you're willing to put your body through, and what your body is willing to tolerate. What someone else does might not have any relevance for you or your body. But it can be helpful or at least entertaining to learn other perspectives.

Thank you for posting this. Very helpful. My body is definitely not responding like it used to and the sides can be worse. That is why i was looking for other guys my age to support. I could not imagine life without the gym as it is part of who I am. The clean eating is also a life style. As I age, I know that I can not do some things I loved. I change exercises due to knee issues and also try to prevent further injuries. I still want to be the best I can be and watch my labs closely nad listen to my body more. Love this community here for the obvious reasons. I know that I can count on some great feedback. Much appreciated!!!

 

[RepZZ]

I’m 58 and in contest prep. My PEDs list is:
Test 50mg ED
EQ 30mg ED
NPP 20mg ED
GH 5 IUs ED

5’9” 212lbs
22 weeks from contest #1 and 24 weeks from contest #2.

What supps do you take? Not the whey etc but the liver, cardio, AI, progesterone protection etc? At my age, I run Telmasartan, Statin, zetia, Tudca, Nac, nattokinase but try to avoid AI. I also take p5p. Thanks in advance and good luck on the contest. True warrior to compete at this age.

 

[tommyguns2]

What supps do you take? Not the whey etc but the liver, cardio, AI, progesterone protection etc? At my age, I run Telmasartan, Statin, zetia, Tudca, Nac, nattokinase but try to avoid AI. I also take p5p. Thanks in advance and good luck on the contest. True warrior to compete at this age.

Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated. I take daily:
TUDCA
Astragalus
Fish oil
Plant phenols
Betain HCL
Berberine
Red rice yeast
Krill oil
Curcumin/tumeric
CoQ10
D3/K2
Men's multi
Jardiance
Entrusto (sp)
Metropolol
Crestor

Is this overkill. Yes, probably. But it's just my daily habit and I don't mind it. I take these in the AM and PM. Bloodwork is fine. LDL was around 160 and my doc wanted it lower, so that's why I added the generic version of Crestor. The heart meds are due to an A-fib event I had after getting the second jab of the Pfizer COVID vaccine (what a PA at the Cleveland Clinic called the "clot shot"). My BP is 110/80, but my ejection fraction (EF) is still on the low side and therefore the Jardiance and Entrusto. Calcium score was an 11 (almost no hardened plaque), and I got a catheterization done in December, and everything is clear.

I plan to stick with the EQ and NPP from week 24 down to week 14, then switch over to primo and mast (likely at 300mg/wk each). I may forgo the primo altogether, we'll see. Then I'll likely introduce an oral such as winstrol in the last 3-4 weeks. Low dose tren A at 10mg/day is an option at 4-6 weeks out, but not presently in the plan.

I'm planning on putting together a log with pics for this. It helps my progress as the posting makes me feel accountable to people! LOL

 

[tommyguns2]

Regarding AI, no AI issues for me, so no AI protection. In fact, with the EQ my E2 may be a bit low, but I go by how I feel regarding estrogen. No gyno or gyno symptoms, but my test doses have never been high. Regarding cardio, I do 30 mins on my Peloton fasted each morning, usually LISS but sometimes some modest intervals, but never true HIIT. Also do a minimum of 5,000 steps/day, and that minimum will increase as I progress through the prep.

My BP is 110/80. Had a calcium score last year of 11 (almost no hardened plaque), and had a catheterization in December and no blockages. So I'm good to go there. The heart medication is a result of an A-fib event I had after getting the second jab of the Pfizer COVID vaccine (what a PA at the Cleveland Clinic said they call the "clot shot"). My EF is still on the low side, so I take the Jardiance with the Entrusto and Metropolol (that combo also works much better for my BP than Losartan, which was what I was taking previously). LDL last year was around 160, which my doc thought was too high (not sure I agree), but that's why I'm now taking the generic version of the Crestor. Haven't gotten LDL tested since, but I'm guessing it's now lower. We shall see.

 

[luki7788]

One of my close friends is a masters 212 pro, he is 59 this year. He works with a popular coach in Spain. He competed in bodybuilding for over 20 years, and was an athlete in other sports before that.

His off-season is typically 1000-1500/300-600/300 test, eq or primo, and deca. He uses anavar sometimes in off-season. Gh 4-6iu. Contest prep is typical 350/350/350 test tren mast, anavar and winstrol last 2-4 weeks. Gh 6-8iu.

Sometime last year his body stopped responding like usual. Wasn't responding to food, training, or drugs.

His bloodwork showed that his blood glucose, fasted insulin, CRP, ESR (sedimentation rate) were starting to elevate.
He ended off-season and went to cruise 400 test, his inflammation and insulin sensitivity got worse.
Some diet changes, detox, peptides (BPC/TB/KPV,MotsC,Reta) and not much improvement.
He lowered to 250 test, lowered his protein from 300g to 200g, kept carbs around 200g every day, fats are always low-moderate (10-30g added fats), and things started to improve.
3 months later, after more regular cardio (daily 30 minutes LISS became daily 60 minutes, and added 3 HIIT sessions per week), and he's sleeping better, stress and inflammation markers came down, responding to food and training again.
He tried to start an off-season with 750 test and kept food low, but by 3-4 weeks in he felt miserable, fasted blood glucose was >100, couldn't sleep. His body said enough is enough. No more competitions.

Now he is just on trt 250, 3iu gh. Trains 5 days a week, LISS every day, HIIT 2-3 times a week, protein is low, carbs moderate.

Why do I mention this? Some guys are in their 50s and still pushing their bodies to the limits. Some guys are in their 50s just on trt and trying to maintain and preserve whatever health they have. Some guys say it depends on how long you've been training and pushing your bodies, some say neither of those matter. What you do is ultimately based on your goals and expectations, what you're willing to put your body through, and what your body is willing to tolerate. What someone else does might not have any relevance for you or your body. But it can be helpful or at least entertaining to learn other perspectives.

The doses and the fact that you said his coach is from Spain were enough for me and I already know who his coach is

 

[qbkilla]

Whoa whoa whoa… nothing wrong with pushing for higher weights! Let’s not kill all the fun!

I think you mean more “ego lifting” though. Loading up weights you have no business attempting.

Correct! Was thinking mostly about lower body movements and knee health lol. I made some good strength gains this past year in my 40s after committing to bringing up legs but I paid a price..trying to get back to pain free knees is now my 1 priority. Just always put joint health 1st from now on lol