Deca and Nolavadex

[JuiceMan01]

I read that Nolvadex can have adverse effects toward progesterone related steroids such as Deca. I have also read that Nolvadex should be used during a Deca cycle and after for PCT. I currently am running a Deca/Test E/DBol cycle am planning on incorporating Nolvadex during week 4 of my cycle 10 week cycle. Will this be a problem? What type of adverse effects could I possibly encounter. Thank you for your input.

 

[buselmo]

for most people, it wouldn't be a problem. not many people i personally know suffer from progesterone related sides (other than myself)... i am sensitive to every damn gyno side effect, whether it be prog or estro or that damn soy! LOL! (j/k about the soy)
nolva is the WORST thing for me to use if i'm on any 19-nor. letro has done an awesome job in solving those problems
as for yourself, if you've never tried deca, just wait and see. if you suffer from sides even with nolvadex (nolva makes them worse), then switch to letro (keep it on hand)... remember, letro takes about a week to start working... so don't panic 5 minutes after taking it because the soreness in the nips didn't go away

 

[animal eater]

Luckily I have never had any problems using nolva and deca. Always a good idea to have some bromo/caber on hand and if that isn't possible have some b-6 handy as that can keep levels down.

 

[jdchaffin]

nolva is the WORST thing for me to use if i'm on any 19-nor. letro has done an awesome job in solving those problems

In your experience, and since you know you are sensative the the 19-nor, does the letro help to reduce water retention from the deca?

 

[buselmo]

In your experience, and since you know you are sensative the the 19-nor, does the letro help to reduce water retention from the deca?

no... getting rid of estrogen or prog isn't the solution in 99% of the cases of bloat or water retention, because it isn't the problem in the first place. eat 10 grams of sodium per day and drink 2 liters of water and watch what happens. most "serious" bodybuilders i know who suffer from bloat eat 3 or 4 cans of tuna packed in brine and not washed thuroughly and only drink 1/2 gallon of FLUIDS!... and then they complain about bloat. not saying that's your problem. but just try to increase your water intake, drink more coffee or green tea and see what happens. also, read your nutrition labels... i once found canned chicken at the store and wanted to try it... after eating it, i looked at the sodium content and it was 4000 mg... so be careful.

 

[coolkat]

Dude,

You nedd casabar for the PROLACTIN side effects ( leaky nipples ) and an anti-estrogen for the testosterone related sides.

Same goes for Tren ( need casabar ).

Haven't heard it mentioned in any of the posts on your thread so far.

Hope someone else would chime in here.

There is wisdom in a multitude of counselers.

good luck

 

[GoneForever]

No need to use nolvadex if on deca only. but if your on test as well, which you should be, and want to use nolva for sides, then maybe run some caber as well and you'll be good on both the estrogen and progesterone side.

 

[jdchaffin]

how does caber work? does it bind to the progesterone receptore or does it stop a conversion somewhere along the way?

 

[buselmo]

cabaser did absolutely nothing for my prog sides...

 

[Mr.Bungle]

cabaser is an anti-prolactin not an anti-progesterone

 

[ballennonstop]

ummm post is confusing so you must be really confused!! all good brotha go with tamoxifen 10mg/day or 20mg/eod..get your bloodwork done as well

 

[jkorby]

no... getting rid of estrogen or prog isn't the solution in 99% of the cases of bloat or water retention, because it isn't the problem in the first place. eat 10 grams of sodium per day and drink 2 liters of water and watch what happens. most "serious" bodybuilders i know who suffer from bloat eat 3 or 4 cans of tuna packed in brine and not washed thuroughly and only drink 1/2 gallon of FLUIDS!... and then they complain about bloat. not saying that's your problem. but just try to increase your water intake, drink more coffee or green tea and see what happens. also, read your nutrition labels... i once found canned chicken at the store and wanted to try it... after eating it, i looked at the sodium content and it was 4000 mg... so be careful.

Sodium is in everything! I don't add salt to anything and I started looking at the lables on hot sauce, beef jerky and other shit that I eat and could not belive how much sodium is in everyday foods.