DECA DICK - WHY DOES IT HAPPEN?

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

Deca Dick - Why Does It Happen? | Ask the Anabolic Doc Ep. 47

Very interesting. Key points

~Testosterone shuts down body, and stimulates brain
~Deca shuts down body , and does not stimulate brain. that's why you don't feel the male feeling on deca only cycles

Goes into say that taking finasteride with deca causes deca to stimulate the brain (via androgenically)

so basically you have to take a certain amount of test, your sweet spot, with deca. Ive done 150 mgs test and 400 deca, and erection quality took a hit it seemed.

MY issue is I don't like to use androgenic stuff or as little aas I can because I'm scared to lose my hair.

so I wonder would deca with finasteride and test block the dht from test and amply the dht somehow from deca?

 

[BoredStiff]

This is just my personal view on it

Two things:
1. Nandrolone conversion to DHN. Your brain and penis are loaded with DHT receptors, you don't want a much weaker DHN filling those receptors.
2. Prolactin/Estrogen. Nuff said, everyone knows about this by now.

The problem I see is people try to take more test than deca, which makes sense because Test to DHT conversion is pretty damn low, but it doesn't make sense because you're just adding more and more estrogen that needs to be controlled and could potentially cause more issues. Deca and Test aren't that different strength wise, pick one or the other as your muscle builder and either ditch the deca or drop test to a TRT dose.

IMO, Masteron/Proviron need to be matched at an equal dose with NPP/Deca, and test kept low (or kept high, it's irrelevant, just control the estrogen if you go that route), but in some capacity you need to keep DHT levels high.

Who knows what other mechanisms it has. Even doing the above I've seen some people report depression, mood swings etc.

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

This is just my personal view on it

Two things:
1. Nandrolone conversion to DHN. Your brain and penis are loaded with DHT receptors, you don't want a much weaker DHN filling those receptors.
2. Prolactin/Estrogen. Nuff said, everyone knows about this by now.

The problem I see is people try to take more test than deca, which makes sense because Test to DHT conversion is pretty damn low, but it doesn't make sense because you're just adding more and more estrogen that needs to be controlled and could potentially cause more issues. Deca and Test aren't that different strength wise, pick one or the other as your muscle builder and either ditch the deca or drop test to a TRT dose.

IMO, Masteron/Proviron need to be matched at an equal dose with NPP/Deca, and test kept low (or kept high, it's irrelevant, just control the estrogen if you go that route), but in some capacity you need to keep DHT levels high.

Who knows what other mechanisms it has. Even doing the above I've seen some people report depression, mood swings etc.

Deca isnt very estrogenic. I tried 400 deca and trt dose 150 test and libido dropped. It culd have been something else, I had to up test to 225 just to feel somewhat functioning again brain mood wise.

as far as mast on Deca, mast causes hair issues for guys predisposed right?

Thats the situation for guys who have androgenic alopecia, we cant use high androgenic, even moderate androgens or we risk losing our hair.

 

[Blazed_Noob]

I run deca during the colder months of the year.
I get slight deca dick. I'm am right on the edge , I notice less feeling and sensitivity but I can still function and keep it going , if I need help I'll take 10mg flash tadalafil and im ready to go.

I have had more severe "D.D" but I just had to up my test to fix it. I try to find my happy medium.
Right now I'm running 500mg deca , 350mg test e , 300 mast E. That keeps me right where I need to be.

I am prone to a pretty pro-nounced widows peak , I have notice the mast causing my hair to recede faster then normal , I'm going bald anyway so it is what it is.

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[BoredStiff]

Deca isnt very estrogenic. I tried 400 deca and trt dose 150 test and libido dropped. It culd have been something else, I had to up test to 225 just to feel somewhat functioning again brain mood wise.

as far as mast on Deca, mast causes hair issues for guys predisposed right?

Thats the situation for guys who have androgenic alopecia, we cant use high androgenic, even moderate androgens or we risk losing our hair.

You barely felt somewhat functioning because at 225 you're still not converting over enough DHT.

Just take this as advise, because back around 2007 when I was young and new to AAS, I had the same issue except I was worried about DHT affecting my skin as I was really prone to breaking out. So Deca with really low TRT test seemed like the perfect answer.... that was a mother*ker of a cycle to recover from. It's different with Tren because it's already a massive androgen but with Deca, you need increased androgen levels to keep your brain and everything working right.

 

[saffire]

This is just my personal view on it

Two things:
1. Nandrolone conversion to DHN. Your brain and penis are loaded with DHT receptors, you don't want a much weaker DHN filling those receptors.
2. Prolactin/Estrogen. Nuff said, everyone knows about this by now.

The problem I see is people try to take more test than deca, which makes sense because Test to DHT conversion is pretty damn low, but it doesn't make sense because you're just adding more and more estrogen that needs to be controlled and could potentially cause more issues. Deca and Test aren't that different strength wise, pick one or the other as your muscle builder and either ditch the deca or drop test to a TRT dose.

IMO, Masteron/Proviron need to be matched at an equal dose with NPP/Deca, and test kept low (or kept high, it's irrelevant, just control the estrogen if you go that route), but in some capacity you need to keep DHT levels high.

Who knows what other mechanisms it has. Even doing the above I've seen some people report depression, mood swings etc.

:yeahthat: never had problem with deca cycles and mostly problem with deca cycle is prolactin/estrogen, fixed a lot of my friends by controling it. In the end, do your bloods, see where your prolactin and estrogen is, mostly problem is there, if not...leave deca alone.

 

[graybass]

Use the kiss method (Keep it simple stupid) Keep the test higher than the Deca and you will never have Deca dick.

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

I run deca during the colder months of the year.
I get slight deca dick. I'm am right on the edge , I notice less feeling and sensitivity but I can still function and keep it going , if I need help I'll take 10mg flash tadalafil and im ready to go.

I have had more severe "D.D" but I just had to up my test to fix it. I try to find my happy medium.
Right now I'm running 500mg deca , 350mg test e , 300 mast E. That keeps me right where I need to be.

I am prone to a pretty pro-nounced widows peak , I have notice the mast causing my hair to recede faster then normal , I'm going bald anyway so it is what it is.

Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk

Tadalafil aka Cialis doesnt replace the androgens. Ron and Thomas say it wont help. For me Cialis seems to take 24 h or so to work. It used to work inlike 30 inutes. Ive been using it for eight years now, and I m just guessing my body changed, or the stuff is different.

what is flash tadalafil?

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

You barely felt somewhat functioning because at 225 you're still not converting over enough DHT.

Just take this as advise, because back around 2007 when I was young and new to AAS, I had the same issue except I was worried about DHT affecting my skin as I was really prone to breaking out. So Deca with really low TRT test seemed like the perfect answer.... that was a mother*ker of a cycle to recover from. It's different with Tren because it's already a massive androgen but with Deca, you need increased androgen levels to keep your brain and everything working right.

Thank you for sharing. Yes it was difficult to recover from, it took months. Not fun! I took hcg toward the end, and raloxifene on cycle, and my face looked more feminine it seemed. I know this is broscience, but I know my face, it looked more masculine on 150 mgs tren.

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

Use the kiss method (Keep it simple stupid) Keep the test higher than the Deca and you will never have Deca dick.

The challenge with this is guys who are prone to male pattern hair issues will still lose their hair much faster if test is up in the range that can cause these faster androgenic alopecia effects, right?

Primo looks like a good candidate, however from all my research most primo is fake . and my experience it was Test P. Damn that shit strung.

 

[rehh]

About to finish up a 12 week run of TPP/NPP/MAST. Sex drive and function stayed good throughout, biggest problem I had is a dramatic decrease in feeling during orgasim.

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

I just got off work and thought about this with some free time at work

the reason Doc says to take a 5 ar inhibitor, like finasteride, with deca is because it causes deca to be more androgenic some-how, and the greater androgenic ratio causes hairloss for guys predisposed.

 

[Pissbrainiac259]

Deca Dick - Why Does It Happen? | Ask the Anabolic Doc Ep. 47

Very interesting. Key points

~Testosterone shuts down body, and stimulates brain
~Deca shuts down body , and does not stimulate brain. that's why you don't feel the male feeling on deca only cycles

Goes into say that taking finasteride with deca causes deca to stimulate the brain (via androgenically)

so basically you have to take a certain amount of test, your sweet spot, with deca. Ive done 150 mgs test and 400 deca, and erection quality took a hit it seemed.

MY issue is I don't like to use androgenic stuff or as little aas I can because I'm scared to lose my hair.

so I wonder would deca with finasteride and test block the dht from test and amply the dht somehow from deca?

Damn. Just clicked on the link and immediately cringed upon realizing it is the "Anabolic Doc" trying to explain some biomedical pharmacology. Having listened to "Anabolic Doc" stumble and/or butcher ~30% of the most basic medical words and concepts, one seriously doubts how well he truly understands medicine and pharmacology. :banghead:

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

Damn. Just clicked on the link and immediately cringed upon realizing it is the "Anabolic Doc" trying to explain some biomedical pharmacology. Having listened to "Anabolic Doc" stumble and/or butcher ~30% of the most basic medical words and concepts, one seriously doubts how well he truly understands medicine and pharmacology. :banghead:

Watched a couple of his videos, he certainly is not the sharpest tool in the shed Often makes shit up on the spot and bullshits away to hide his lack of competence.

 

[drewls]

Something I discovered sort of by accident is that Deca seems to deplete the body of nitric oxide. I keep a stack for nitric oxide around which contains, arginine, citruline, horny goat weed, and pycoganol with a low dose cialis. It's great for blood pressure, vascularity, and erection quality.

When I started Deca, I noticed a marked drop in my libido. However, I found that going back to taking the NO stack brought it right back and maybe even ended up better than it was before Deca.

I don't know if that's the only reason for 'Deca Dick', but I have to believe it's a big part of it.

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

Damn. Just clicked on the link and immediately cringed upon realizing it is the "Anabolic Doc" trying to explain some biomedical pharmacology. Having listened to "Anabolic Doc" stumble and/or butcher ~30% of the most basic medical words and concepts, one seriously doubts how well he truly understands medicine and pharmacology. :banghead:

Other stuff is questionable and in the past he wasnt the most friendly guy to say the least. That said, I think he is correct on this one.

Its common knowledge not to mix finasteride and deca because itll make one shred faster, if predisposed to hair loss.

Something I discovered sort of by accident is that Deca seems to deplete the body of nitric oxide. I keep a stack for nitric oxide around which contains, arginine, citruline, horny goat weed, and pycoganol with a low dose cialis. It's great for blood pressure, vascularity, and erection quality.

When I started Deca, I noticed a marked drop in my libido. However, I found that going back to taking the NO stack brought it right back and maybe even ended up better than it was before Deca.

I don't know if that's the only reason for 'Deca Dick', but I have to believe it's a big part of it.

the reason for deca dick is lack of androgens in the brain.

 

[MikeS]

Prolactin is the most destructive substance to the HPTA. Its what they use for chemical castration in sex offenders (Depo Provera/Progestin).
Deca is not very androgenic so you are not replacing the androgen lost by HPTA shutdown with Deca. Use some test (or a DHT derivative like Masterone or Proviron), more test mg than Deca.

 

[drewls]

the reason for deca dick is lack of androgens in the brain.

Well, I guess that settles that.