Deca-only cycle?

[Mufasa123]

I used to love Deca. Strength, size, joints always felt great. Last few times I used it (with Test) the mental sides were awful. Intense anxiety and depression. The things I love to do, the places I love to be, the people I love to be around, I didn't want to be bothered by any of it. The gym is my sanctuary at times and I remember sitting in my gym telling myself I was done with training, bodybuilding. Something I've done for 30+ yrs. This could be an age thing or maybe a change in hormones or brain chemistry but I found several guys all around my age, saying they experienced the same thing or very similar.

I've though some about this. I know I've changed in response to some aas (deca I need equal test now, dbol tired at any dose, tren I get neural fatigue at some point regardless of dose or good sleep). Overall I'm still pretty good but some definite changes.

It seems like some people experience this stuff in their young years too (lots of nandrolone depression posts all over other forums - not majority but some part of sample for sure) and for myself, and maybe you, we only got it as our bodies aged and changed. Probably just life. I get heartburn sometimes now, can't tolerate a ton of carbs, and take some meds too.

 

[hawkmoon]

I've though some about this. I know I've changed in response to some aas (deca I need equal test now, dbol tired at any dose, tren I get neural fatigue at some point regardless of dose or good sleep). Overall I'm still pretty good but some definite changes.

It seems like some people experience this stuff in their young years too (lots of nandrolone depression posts all over other forums - not majority but some part of sample for sure) and for myself, and maybe you, we only got it as our bodies aged and changed. Probably just life. I get heartburn sometimes now, can't tolerate a ton of carbs, and take some meds too.

I think this depends a lot on one's neurotransmitter makeup. A good way to get a heads-up or even gain insight into existing trends is get your DNA and upload it to Promothease.
That helped me really understand why I act and feel the way I do, e.g. lack of aggression on Trenbolone, no anxiety on EQ, etc. Everything made sense.

 

[Siggy]

how much longer will it be before Tyan Clark chimes in

 

[Siggy]

I have often wondered how true the adage is that no one used Test in the Golden Age, just Deca.

You have to figure Test has always been the easiest PED to get a prescription for and has probably always been the cheapest PED oil.

I do wonder what Silver age guys like Larry Scott, Reg Park and Bill Pearl favored. It was probably mainly Testosterone, Dbol and maybe Winstrol, considering Nandrolone wasnt invented until 1962, well after these guys started winning titles.

 

[burgundy]

next question do you really need 2.5-3g gear...are you at least 250lbs below 10% body fat?

Luki…. I am your previous client… you had me on 2.5g of gear at like 240lbs

And no I’m not 10% but I still have abs showing

I am literally just trying to prevent any further hairloss. This is not for building any extra mass or being the ideal competitor (but I still think I could probably gain some on only deca)

 

[gib68sg]

Luki…. I am your previous client… you had me on 2.5g of gear at like 240lbs

And no I’m not 10% but I still have abs showing

I am literally just trying to prevent any further hairloss. This is not for building any extra mass or being the ideal competitor (but I still think I could probably gain some on only deca)

I’m confused a bit. You’re going to run 3 grams of deca but not looking to gain mass? Maybe I missed it, but what is the goal of this?

 

[luki7788]

Luki…. I am your previous client… you had me on 2.5g of gear at like 240lbs

And no I’m not 10% but I still have abs showing

I am literally just trying to prevent any further hairloss. This is not for building any extra mass or being the ideal competitor (but I still think I could probably gain some on only deca)

in that case it's totally sleepless because if you cooperated with me then we were 100% trying to push you forward so the gear had to be pushed but if now you just want to maintain then you can easily go down to 1g total or below and not experiment with idiotic cycles

 

[specter]

I have often wondered how true the adage is that no one used Test in the Golden Age, just Deca.

You have to figure Test has always been the easiest PED to get a prescription for and has probably always been the cheapest PED oil.

I do wonder what Silver age guys like Larry Scott, Reg Park and Bill Pearl favored. It was probably mainly Testosterone, Dbol and maybe Winstrol, considering Nandrolone wasnt invented until 1962, well after these guys started winning titles.

They didnt, they used Dbol along with it.. and pls dont summon the "camel crew"

 

[mexbeast]

Luki…. I am your previous client… you had me on 2.5g of gear at like 240lbs

And no I’m not 10% but I still have abs showing

I am literally just trying to prevent any further hairloss. This is not for building any extra mass or being the ideal competitor (but I still think I could probably gain some on only deca)

I feel very confident in saying that 2.5gs of deca will be androgenic enough to not only cause some hair loss but some other androgenic sides, I assumed you were going to run like 400-600 which might hair safe

 

[Flocci]

I think this depends a lot on one's neurotransmitter makeup. A good way to get a heads-up or even gain insight into existing trends is get your DNA and upload it to Promothease.
That helped me really understand why I act and feel the way I do, e.g. lack of aggression on Trenbolone, no anxiety on EQ, etc. Everything made sense.

Do you have any particular services you would recommend to get your DNA tested? preferrably in Europe. Can you see your CAG repeats too? how indepth are they really, or does it depend how much you pay, or what "package" you buy?

 

[neutrino]

I think this depends a lot on one's neurotransmitter makeup. A good way to get a heads-up or even gain insight into existing trends is get your DNA and upload it to Promothease.
That helped me really understand why I act and feel the way I do, e.g. lack of aggression on Trenbolone, no anxiety on EQ, etc. Everything made sense.

Man I would love to do this, but the whole idea of handing over my DNA to a database does not feel right. 23andme had data breaches and instances of selling off customer DNA data to pharmaceutical companies and the like. And God knows what's happening with all the data now that they have filed for bankruptcy.

If there is a legally guaranteed way to run such a test and then have the company wipe all the info, I would be in, bust still hesitate because you don't REALLY know what they are doing with it

 

[st114]

Ran NPP/Primo with no test, had great results. No issues with libido, and no mental sides. I have mental/dick problems with nandrolone WHEN I have test in the mix. Looking to do this again with Winstrol in the mix soon
Right now I’m running EQ solo

 

[hawkmoon]

Do you have any particular services you would recommend to get your DNA tested? preferrably in Europe. Can you see your CAG repeats too? how indepth are they really, or does it depend how much you pay, or what "package" you buy?

I did 23andMe many years ago. I think there are others now who won't sell your data as @neutrino rightly fears.
The key is to get your raw data as a text file, nothing else really matters. You can then process it in Promethease and have ChatGPT analyze the Promethease output.

 

[rtrnofbesoge]

I'd stay away from deca only cycles, why fix what isn't broken

 

[Mufasa123]

I did 23andMe many years ago. I think there are others now who won't sell your data as @neutrino rightly fears.
The key is to get your raw data as a text file, nothing else really matters. You can then process it in Promethease and have ChatGPT analyze the Promethease output.

I really had no idea about this and getting it analyzed. Fricking brilliant idea.

So much I wish I had known and had access to when I was younger. That said, seems to always be the case doesn't it. Lol

 

[neutrino]

I did 23andMe many years ago. I think there are others now who won't sell your data as @neutrino rightly fears.
The key is to get your raw data as a text file, nothing else really matters. You can then process it in Promethease and have ChatGPT analyze the Promethease output.

How much does Promethease processing cost?

 

[burgundy]

Thoughts on deca-only to regrow hair/stop hairloss?

@Black Beard

Yay/Nay?

 

[burgundy]

I just don't want to lose my damn hair. That's all this is about

 

[neutrino]

I just don't want to lose my damn hair. That's all this is about

Bro dozens have chimed in. Some have said it's a cycle they have had success with. Most have advised against it. And not a single one has suggested it's hair safe, nor are they legitimately capable of accurately predicting if it will be hair safe for you.

Seems like this is just an exercise in confirmation bias. You seem to ve looking for at least one person to give you a thumbs up.

Go ahead man. Run it. You might actually grow more hair.

 

[Mufasa123]

I just don't want to lose my damn hair. That's all this is about

If you are susceptible to MPB, you are going to lose it regardless but high DHT and AAS levels can certainly accelerate.

Some find certain compounds okay or not okay. There are no studies or hard/fast rules here. That is the bottom line. Not one person can tell you how you specifically will react.

Both masteron and primo are known to have this effect on some portion of the aas using male population. More than a few have stated they are fine with one but not another.

Tren doesn't seem to be a culprit but more than a few posts over the years of people stating hair loss from tren.

Deca doesn't seem to be a culprit either with conversion to more benign DHN as opposed to DHT...that said, it's "more benign" and that isn't necessarily "totally hair safe and proven." If 200mg of test converting to E2 and DHT is a concern, I'd surmise 1000-2000mg of deca converting to DHN seems like it might cause the same or worse just from logic. But maybe not, and maybe not or maybe so in you specifically.

You will simply have to run shit and figure it out. At some point we all do.

I mean, I don't get E2 crashed running mast or even primo at 1:1 or a good margin higher than test (hell E2 is still just out of upper range). How was I supposed to know that equipoise was totally different and could zero my E2 even with test a good margin more? Should it have happened based on research, likely not. Did it happen in MY BODY, shit yeah it did. Burned up some of a nice blast just putting equipoise in as a trial at what most all research indicated should be fine.

Make an informed probability decision and role the dice. Let us know how it works out.