Deca-only cycle?

[Black Beard]

Thoughts on deca-only to regrow hair/stop hairloss?

@Black Beard

Yay/Nay?

Two things

1. You need to be lucky and have a good response to deca only; not suffer from severe mood issues/sex issues and actually get hair regrowth from it. there is no guarantee hair will come back. (Its possible hair will come back and you will feel great, some guys do)


2. We don't know the long term consequences of not having T and E2 in your body long term. Deca only will produce very little to no E2. T and its metabllolites, E2/DHT and many others are important for lots of functions in the body.


Using testosterone with low dose dutasteride is much more predictable, much safer and likely more effective for hair regrowth, health and well-being. (Especially if you throw on oral minoxidil which is very effective)

 

[Black Beard]

If you are susceptible to MPB, you are going to lose it regardless but high DHT and AAS levels can certainly accelerate.

Some find certain compounds okay or not okay. There are no studies or hard/fast rules here. That is the bottom line. Not one person can tell you how you specifically will react.

Both masteron and primo are known to have this effect on some portion of the aas using male population. More than a few have stated they are fine with one but not another.

Tren doesn't seem to be a culprit but more than a few posts over the years of people stating hair loss from tren.

Deca doesn't seem to be a culprit either with conversion to more benign DHN as opposed to DHT...that said, it's "more benign" and that isn't necessarily "totally hair safe and proven." If 200mg of test converting to E2 and DHT is a concern, I'd surmise 1000-2000mg of deca converting to DHN seems like it might cause the same or worse just from logic. But maybe not, and maybe not or maybe so in you specifically.

You will simply have to run shit and figure it out. At some point we all do.

I mean, I don't get E2 crashed running mast or even primo at 1:1 or a good margin higher than test (hell E2 is still just out of upper range). How was I supposed to know that equipoise was totally different and could zero my E2 even with test a good margin more? Should it have happened based on research, likely not. Did it happen in MY BODY, shit yeah it did. Burned up some of a nice blast just putting equipoise in as a trial at what most all research indicated should be fine.

Make an informed probability decision and role the dice. Let us know how it works out.

Hairloss can be permanently stopped and most guys on finasteride/dutasteride will stop hair loss completely (per studies)


Contrary to popular belief that "no matter what, you will lose it, and just delaying the inevitable"

 

[KingOfSushi]

Hairloss can be permanently stopped and most guys on finasteride/dutasteride will stop hair loss completely (per studies)


Contrary to popular belief that "no matter what, you will lose it, and just delaying the inevitable"

You don’t think being on 2.5g of gear changes though circumstances?

I’m genuinely asking as I know nothing about those compounds

 

[Black Beard]

You don’t think being on 2.5g of gear changes though circumstances?

I’m genuinely asking as I know nothing about those compounds

2.5 g is a lot of androgen, so it's likely it will still cause hair loss and many guys and it's a ridiculous dosage for most people.


I did not read the whole thread, only answered the question i was asked.


DHT is the main hair killer and is exponentially more potent at killing hair than other androgens. For some people, just lowering DHT is enough to regrow or completely stop hair loss, (and they can blast without hair loss) but all of this is genetic and also depends on which compounds you run and the doses/length of time.

 

[SOUR DIESEL]

I just don't want to lose my damn hair. That's all this is about

Thoughts on deca-only to regrow hair/stop hairloss?

@Black Beard

Yay/Nay?

^^^here's a thought for you; →what-the-hell are you gonna run after "DECA ONLY" to save your hair??

..so your plan is to run grams of DECA ..........then what? ..........what do you transition into after that?

..or do you really think that DECA ONLY is sustainable plan going forward?

↑serious question

.

 

[camy9000]

Ran NPP/Primo with no test, had great results. No issues with libido, and no mental sides. I have mental/dick problems with nandrolone WHEN I have test in the mix. Looking to do this again with Winstrol in the mix soon
Right now I’m running EQ solo

How are you feeling on solo eq

 

[burgundy]

Two things

1. You need to be lucky and have a good response to deca only; not suffer from severe mood issues/sex issues and actually get hair regrowth from it. there is no guarantee hair will come back. (Its possible hair will come back and you will feel great, some guys do)


2. We don't know the long term consequences of not having T and E2 in your body long term. Deca only will produce very little to no E2. T and its metabllolites, E2/DHT and many others are important for lots of functions in the body.


Using testosterone with low dose dutasteride is much more predictable, much safer and likely more effective for hair regrowth, health and well-being. (Especially if you throw on oral minoxidil which is very effective)

I know this is very individual, but you don't think around 2.5g of Deca would provide enough E2 for mood/sexual function? I think it would be a problem if I was only running say 500mg, but 2.5g?... If anything I assume I may need to also run an AI at that dosage.

How does dutasteride promote hair regrowth? Or did you mean to say stopping hair loss? If it promotes regrowth could I not do the deca-only + dutasteride? I get it would be overkill as I'd have plenty of DHN and barely any DHT to begin with so I don't really get how it would promote regrowth unless there's something I'm misunderstanding here.

Cheers man. Thank you for your input


--------

EDIT: I think you answered my question in a following comment. Nevermind my bad

 

[burgundy]

^^^here's a thought for you; →what-the-hell are you gonna run after "DECA ONLY" to save your hair??

..so your plan is to run grams of DECA ..........then what? ..........what do you transition into after that?

..or do you really think that DECA ONLY is sustainable plan going forward?

↑serious question

.

I would love to compete, but if I have to choose between competing or my hair, I am going to choose my hair

So I would just switch to "lifestyle" and try to bulk up more on deca. Maybe go from my 245lbs up to 265lbs on the same total mg and try to not worsen my body composition?

 

[luki7788]

If I'm wrong let @Black Beard correct me but from what I know nandrolone does not aromatize to e2 as it was once thought only to e1 and to a very small extent

 

[Hammer4]

I've heard it said deca will aromatize 20% of test but I'm not even sure it's that high... almost positive it does become e2 just at a negligible rate.

 

[Black Beard]

If I'm wrong let @Black Beard correct me but from what I know nandrolone does not aromatize to e2 as it was once thought only to e1 and to a very small extent

I don't know about E1, but as you said, the extent is so small even for E2, it's basically nothing if at all. Numbers are thrown around about "20% aromatization" but even that i have not seen in blood work in people. So i wouldn't rely on nandrolone for any appreciable increase in estradiol.


The "progestogenic" effect of nandrolone may sometimes mimic effects we associate with estradiol/estrogens though.



@burgundy Dutasteride works by lowering DHT, the main cause of hair loss. It does not work for nandrolone only cycles and might actually exacerbate hair loss in a nandrolone only cycle. (since it will lower Nandrolone conversion to DHN - dihydronandrolone which is supposed to be less androgenic than nandrolone). Stopping all AAS is likely overkill, especially with your mild level of hairloss.

 

[Brock456]

I just don't want to lose my damn hair. That's all this is about

If you don’t want to lose hair, don’t run any gear.

AND even then you still might lose hair.

It’s almost a given in this sport with the addition of gear.

For me, it was the Mast that started it. Now even Test only. And this is coming from a family of no MPB.

 

[hawkmoon]

How much does Promethease processing cost?

$12 USD

 

[SSFITNESS]

I’ve heard of a few people doing this in the past, the most famous of which was Jordan Peters.

I’m not sure what results he made on the cycle but I’m interested in giving it a shot.

Thoughts on a deca-only cycle? Meaning using deca as a base. No testosterone or other anabolics used at all.

I know many people say “test is best” or “you need high test to grow” but how true is that really?

I’m 245lbs~ at 5’9 and still have abs showing so guessing around 13% bodyfat.

1. Can I still grow on only deca/GH/insulin as long as I’m pushing up weights/food?
2. Do you think Deca-only is a good choice for those that wish to keep/regrow their hair?
3. Do you think it can reduce back acne? (I don’t have much but I already do daily injections and frequently take an AI)
4. Less chance of hair loss due to less need to take an AI using only deca?
5. Is this a huge waste of time and I should just take test/other anabolics with fina and hope my hair stays/small amount of acne goes + I’ll never make progress on only deca?

I’m thinking of pushing this up to around 2.5-3g’s and doubt I’ll ever need to take more than that.

Deca was always the base until the late 80s only powerlifters used test. Deca is a great slow muscle builder one of the best ever. However if your going to use gh and insulin then you want tren ace because because it is uniquely suited to work with elevated igf1 levels. So tren and anabolic like deca or primo and an oral like wistrol would cover all of the different possible growth pathways