DECA

Hulkbulk8 · May 1, 2014

Next cycle is going to be the classic test, DECA, dbol.
I plan on running this for a bit longer than normal as I have read DECA takes 5-6 weeks to get the full effects.

I usually run test & dbol or drol but was looking for something different this time.
From what I know about deca its more anabolic than test .

Looking to fill out on this cycle.

What have been your experiences with test & deca?

What week did you start to notice deca.
How were strength gains.
Did deca make a noticeable change in muscle mass to your body
How long did you run.

From what I understand deca gains are somewhat slow but add up and are quite noticeable at the end of the cycle. Does that sound right?

Thanks

Knight9 · May 1, 2014

No reason to use deca when there is NPP.

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monstrinh000 · May 1, 2014

Used deca for about 4 months at a low dose 200mg because I had HG deca tha was 50mg/ml each amp and I just couldn't put in more oil. So at 200mg I can say that I had a lot of fullness but a lot of fluid retention also. I was very strong, but also, Puffy face, some acne. My BP was high pretty much all the time, but I was also running other things…and high test.

NPP is a better alternative IMO. Or better yet equipoise which is IMO completely different but running for a long time gives you fullness and not much water retention and also gives you awesome cardiovascular capacity and appetite.

Hulkbulk8 · May 1, 2014

Knight9 said:
No reason to use deca when there is NPP.

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Deca comes in a much higher mg and does not need to be pinned EOD.
Plus when bulking the extra bloat can help from what I have heard

Knight9 · May 1, 2014

Hulkbulk8 said:
Deca comes in a much higher mg and does not need to be pinned EOD.
Plus when bulking the extra bloat can help from what I have heard

You can find npp in 150 or 200. Deca at 200 is not "much higher". Npp doesn't need to be pinned eod. Please research.

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Goody · May 1, 2014

Knight9 said:
No reason to use deca when there is NPP.

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I love npp but with deca I get way more bang for my buck and results really are almost identical

Hulkbulk8 · May 2, 2014

Goody said:
I love npp but with deca I get way more bang for my buck and results really are almost identical

:yeahthat:

Hulkbulk8 · May 2, 2014

Knight9 said:
You can find npp in 150 or 200. Deca at 200 is not "much higher". Npp doesn't need to be pinned eod. Please research.

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You are right the pheny prop ester is almost as long as the deconate ester
So why pay 2x the price for 100mg when deca is cheaper at 300mg?
I don't need it to kick in super fast, I can wait.

Pumped Up Ya · May 2, 2014

Knight9 said:
No reason to use deca when there is NPP.

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Please go more into detail... I believe Deca is better then NPP if your trying to just straight up get big and strong but if you are going for a recomp and good strength while cutting and size npp is best.. so imo it depends on what results your lookin for

Knight9 · May 2, 2014

Hulkbulk8 said:
You are right the pheny prop ester is almost as long as the deconate ester
So why pay 2x the price for 100mg when deca is cheaper at 300mg?
I don't need it to kick in super fast, I can wait.

Health and sides.

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Knight9 · May 2, 2014

Pumped Up Ya said:
Please go more into detail... I believe Deca is better then NPP if your trying to just straight up get big and strong but if you are going for a recomp and good strength while cutting and size npp is best.. so imo it depends on what results your lookin for

Broscience. Your heart and cardiovascular tissue will thank you for choosing NPP. Deca will expose you much longer to the nandrolone which is reportedly very damaging .

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Pumped Up Ya · May 2, 2014

Knight9 said:
Broscience. Your heart and cardiovascular tissue will thank you for choosing NPP. Deca will expose you much longer to the nandrolone which is reportedly very damaging .

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I know of that cardiomegaly and hardening of arteries... which is a very strong point and I definently agree with you on that.. I'm not even going to go into trying to debate my last post to being superior to yours as others would do because its not.. heart health is more important than just about anything

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GS · May 2, 2014

I agree since NPP no need to use deca .

Hulkbulk8 · May 2, 2014

Knight9 said:
Broscience. Your heart and cardiovascular tissue will thank you for choosing NPP. Deca will expose you much longer to the nandrolone which is reportedly very damaging .

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Deca has been around for so long and is used by so many.
I have only see one study where deca was not as safe as we thought.
You would think there would be more. I am wondering if this is over hyped like a lot of other steroid sides?

I have 12 vials of deca once used I will goto NPP depending on how the gains are on deca.
I have heard from too may that upping the test dose will give better gains than adding deca.
Going to test this....

Anyone already test this theory?

Hulkbulk8 · May 2, 2014

Did some research about nandrolone being damaging, was able to find one article from
ergo-log which come to find out if you read about us ergo-log they seem sketchy.

Also I was not able to find any other studies on this. I did find a guy that was given nandrolone by his hrt doc.

I am going to need more proof that nandrolone is damaging

RichDC2 · May 2, 2014

You can get the same results on 8 weeks of npp than almost double the time on deca, with deca you will also run into more estro/water due to it staying for so long and compounding in dose as time goes. It is not a bad compound, many have done well but like anything else there is always a slightly better alternative.
You will have to figure out your ai and test doses to complement the deca

Hulkbulk8 · May 2, 2014

Once I am done with the 12 vials of deca I am going to do npp and compare.
The thing I like about deca is its 300mg/ml and is much cheaper.
My cycle will be around 20+ weeks
FYI iam on hrt too.

RichDC2 · May 2, 2014

Cheaper is not better cheaper is cheaper.
20 weeks of deca is a long ass time
I hope you have estro and prolactin control

Hulkbulk8 · May 3, 2014

RichDC2 said:
Cheaper is not better cheaper is cheaper.
20 weeks of deca is a long ass time
I hope you have estro and prolactin control

Yes I have a ton of cabergoline & Adex
My workout partner took deca for over a year. He is one of the biggest guys I know.
Deca gave him the majority of bulk he has.

Hoping it does the same for me

Skins · May 5, 2014

Knight9 said:
No reason to use deca when there is NPP.

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Unless you enjoy being a pin cushion, Deca is favorable for lesser injections. Considering it's long ester, you can remain "on" for extended periods without the daily or eod ritual of pinning. After a while, this will break some (if not most) down.

Also, because of the long build up, some argue that long esters are more powerful, as each injection builds upon the next.

Nothing wrong with its short ester cousin. You do the benefits quicker. I prefer long esters, and cycle in orals for the quick daily medication.

Last thought: if you're the tall skinny type, yes, you'll really benefit from the test-Deca-dbol cycle. I do encourage long cycles to short 12-16 cycles (if you cycle).

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