DECISION TO GO NATURAL AFTER JUICING FOR 9 YRS

[bigtasty25]

Well...ive been juicing since i was 19..almost 20 (almost 29 now)...and last year decided to take 6 months off due to not responding to juice anymore...after 6 months totally clean i tried a cycle of REAL juice (from a source on OLM with a 95%+ rating)...anadrol, sust, deca, test prop,...after 3 weeks...i didnt gain a pound...no bloat, no nothing..., even during my last 3 months on juice before taking half a year off, i tried everything..nothing worked..

im almost positive all the juice was real too (all human grade)...i did ALOT of research on it before I invested. Ive even tried HGH from a couple LARGE suppliers on here during my off time...didnt do a thing even though everyone ranted and raved about it...either the biggest suppliers on here are giving out crap gear/hgh now or my recpetors are fried...(i have to say its the latter, because its VERY odd im the only one not responding, while everyone else is), ive competed in a couple shows and won the overall in my last one...so i know for a fact it's not my training, diet, or sleep that affected lack of gains.


Ive made decent gains on juice until i was 25...but my body got used to the constant bombardment of cycles and I think I plateaud...after being on for 4.5 yrs straight I decided it's time to go natural and see what i can do as a natural bodybuilder..and recover completely..my test levels are about 180ng/ml now (low avg starts at 250)..so im getting there..1 month post cycle it was only 33 (my free test)..LH is in the normal range finally...workouts are getting much better..

i just dont see the point of spending hundreds..if not thousands on gh/juice and having to wonder if its real, the bloat...aggression of bulk cycles, affecting relationships.. and the up and downs from recovery...im starting to put my priorities into career and eventually starting a family..but still would love to have a good body as a natural bodybuilder..maybe even compete in a natural contest if I can get there...

just had to get this off my chest Any other guys on here decide to go natural for similiar reasons?

 

[SIR-LOIN]

I'm 42, started training at 17, started juicing at 19 until about 23. Didnt take a lot, only test deca and dbol, and some tren in a competition in 1990. I felt like it wasn't doing much for me, I was getting married and graduating college, so I quit taking, until about 4 years ago (HRT).. 15 years nothing more than creatine and protein, but I rarely missed a day in the gym the entire time. My gains were very slow, but steady. At the time I quit taking, I was about 210 pounds at 6'1" prob 12% bf. now I'm about 250 12% bf. Lots of the guys that trained back then with me that did not stop taking, eventually plateaued, like you, became frustrated and couldnt stand coming clean because they didnt have the patience to see it through, so they continued and developed health probs, or quit altogether. Couple of the ones that took tons of it and never stopped died with heart attacks.

Out of about a dozen and a half of the more hard core guys that were there back then, there are less than 5 you can tell have ever hit a weight. The one that's the most impressive is one that never took a bit of any kind of juice, ever, started out at 15 years old textbook ectomorph, 130 lbs at 5'10". He stuck to it, never took a thing, now in 3 weeks he's going for a RAW bench press record lifetme natural of 530 - 540 in the 240 lb class I think. He has a world record already in the Police Fire and Military RAW in the 240 class of 480 I think.
Clean training can be done, just takes patience, but the gains are much more permanent

 

[ironone1]

I just had some bloodwork done and saw some bad results. I'm coming off now for awhile and only doing hrt doses of test now for the rest of the future. All natural aint so bad...

 

[Golgo13]

Well... i tried everything..nothing worked..
...so i know for a fact it's not my training, diet, or sleep that affected lack of gains.

...

So, what is your training like? What are your stats?

 

[rhinofight]

Bro, Novedex XT will raise your natural test levels. I've seen it raise levels to 900-1100. Give it a shot.

 

[Golgo13]

Bro, Novedex XT will raise your natural test levels. I've seen it raise levels to 900-1100. Give it a shot.

YOU have seen this? Do you work in a lab? You test people's free T levels?

Not trying to give you a hard time, but the claims of that supplement are ridiculous.

 

[Ivan]

yikes

4.5 years STRAIGHT?!! Damn man, that is not "cycling" that is just blasting non-stop. I am sure the problem is receptor cell downregulation. I took a 5 year break entirely, and it was the best thing I did even though I always took the same amount of time off as on. That and I do not subscribe to the blast and cruise method <-- I just do not like the theory behind cruising or bridging. Good luck man, you have been hard on yourself, but remain in the gym, and do a good pct. Your hpta has crashed possibly beyond repair. I really really hope this is not the case. Keep your head clear too bro, the depression is a real thing.

 

[rhinofight]

YOU have seen this? Do you work in a lab? You test people's free T levels?

Not trying to give you a hard time, but the claims of that supplement are ridiculous.

No I'm just making it up because that benefits me somehow. Yes, I've seen elite endurance athletes experiment with the supplement and yes, suprisingly, it actually works. That's why I believe it's banned in cycling. Worth a try for 30 bucks.

 

[maldorf]

No I'm just making it up because that benefits me somehow. Yes, I've seen elite endurance athletes experiment with the supplement and yes, suprisingly, it actually works. That's why I believe it's banned in cycling. Worth a try for 30 bucks.

Sounds like those guys though have normal test levels, and dont have a suppressed HPTA. Would be interesting though to see how it affects someone that has been suppressed.

 

[Golgo13]

No I'm just making it up because that benefits me somehow. Yes, I've seen elite endurance athletes experiment with the supplement and yes, suprisingly, it actually works. That's why I believe it's banned in cycling. Worth a try for 30 bucks.

I think you have read the hype.

"Cybergenics" was good too... How about "Hot Stuff?" Cromium Picolinate ... another true BBing miracle. MYO T-12 LIMITLESS MUSCLE GROWTH!!!

Your "Worth a try" comment reminds me of that proverb about a fool and his money.

 

[maldorf]

I think you have read the hype.

"Cybergenics" was good too... How about "Hot Stuff?" Cromium Picolinate ... another true BBing miracle. MYO T-12 LIMITLESS MUSCLE GROWTH!!!

Your "Worth a try" comment reminds me of that proverb about a fool and his money.

Yeah, I am skeptic of anything that would make claims like that unless its some sort of prohormone which is destined to be taken off the shelves by the FDA soon.

 

[Moen]

It's funny isn't it

Just like with other medications/drugs there are people who literally don't respond whatsoever. Anyone has any idea on why this is the case? Is it a matter of simply having less receptors, less binding affinity, something else?

 

[comedycentral]

i have been off now for 2 years. initially it was tough as i also suffered an injury which saw me lose a lot of size however with a well planned training routine which i have found for me is 3 days a week basic compounds along with high protein then you can keep most of what you have and even gain a little.

my strength is also only down slightly. your health will thank you

 

[juicin]

wow, thats crazy that his body stopped responding to AAS.... i have never heard anything like that in my life...

decision to go natural is hard to do. At this point in my life, its hard enough to even come off cycle. I'm addicted to AAS, ill admit it. Sooner or later im going to have to knock it off and figure out what's really important to me in life. Right now its a lifestyle of going to the gym, eating, and taking drugs to grow. Even though thats been my lifestyle for almost 10 years now, things DO change, and i expect them to, i even hope for them to. lol.

Its possible though that anyone who does decide to go natural can still have the opportunity to get to an appreciable size due to things like muscle memory and such. Will never look the same as when on AAS but i think some might be surprised.

 

[thebrick]

Sounds like you are just growing up. Career, family, those are good things to focus on. A 20" bicep will come and go, but family and career skills last your lifetime. But I agree with Ivan in that 4.5 years, non-stop use is a long time and you have taken a long-term, non-stop hit. Hopefully with time you will recover to healthy levels. Everyone is different. Its a roll of the dice. But I will say, if you are gong to go natural, now is the time. If you wait until your 30's or 40's, the dice will be stacked much more against you ever recovering completely IMO. Like Ivan said, be aware of your moods and where those are stemming from. In the end and down the road, if you have to TRT supplement to stay in the "normal" zone, your primary focus in your personal life does not have to change one bit.

 

[rhinofight]

Yeah, I am skeptic of anything that would make claims like that unless its some sort of prohormone which is destined to be taken off the shelves by the FDA soon.

I'm skeptic too. But when elite endurance athletes(that I know personally) are getting regular blood work and watching their T go from 500 to 900-1000, well that's pretty good evidence. By the way, hard endurance training lowers your test levels and XT still raised it and kept it there. They said they didn't really "feel" anything, but the recovery was definitely there. You can cycle with real nolvadex/tamoxifen and get a similar result, but then you have sides to deal with. I'll be giving it a shot when I come off. That's all I'm gonna say about it. I don't sell the product, so I don't benefit from having a debate about it. Just trying to give the guy an option to consider.

Hey Golgo13, what supplements do you use?

 

[Steve123]

Yeah, I am skeptic of anything that would make claims like that unless its some sort of prohormone which is destined to be taken off the shelves by the FDA soon.

From what I understand, NovXt actually shows up as Adex on the piss test. I guess it does work in a similar way to an AI. It does work and lots of people take it during PCT from Ph/s cycles. It's an ADT which has a few draw backs. It would not be my first choice.

I have seen studies (I'll try to find one) showing that Exemestane will raise Test levels as much as a commonly scripted dose of Androgel. That would probably be a better call than Novedex Xt in my opinion.

 

[rhinofight]

Arimidex will not increase testosterone better than estrogen blockers like nolvadex. Studies have been done on this. Also, even very small doses of arimidex will knock the crap out of your estrogen, and reduce good cholesterol levels(hdl). There is no place for estrogen inhibitors unless you are taking testosterone or a steroid that aromatizes.

Very few men have natural estrogen levels too high so to take arimidex while not on test or a steroid that aromatizes is not wise.

Steve, you may be right about Exemestane. A combo of this and Nolvadex would jack up your T levels, and perhaps your IGF-1 levels? I'm thinking of giving this a try for PCT/bridge after reviewing a bro's blood work before and after PCT with this combo.

 

[lestatgear]

I think you have read the hype.

"Cybergenics" was good too... How about "Hot Stuff?" Cromium Picolinate ... another true BBing miracle. MYO T-12 LIMITLESS MUSCLE GROWTH!!!

Your "Worth a try" comment reminds me of that proverb about a fool and his money.

I actually thought Hot Stuff was pretty good back in the day. I made some great gains off the original formula. So much so, that I would speculate there were some supps in there that were not listed on the label, if you catch my drift. Once they changed the formula, however, the results were never the same.

Cybergenics, lmao.

 

[Golgo13]

I actually thought Hot Stuff was pretty good back in the day. I made some great gains off the original formula. So much so, that I would speculate there were some supps in there that were not listed on the label, if you catch my drift. Once they changed the formula, however, the results were never the same.

Cybergenics, lmao.

The original Hot Stuff actually had dianabol in it. (or so I have been told). When they got caught, they took the dianabol out.