Devastating....horrible beyond belief

[Dugbet]

Life is hard and painful because events not conform to the wishes of humans. You just have to accept this fact and move on. Lamenting is useless. John's children will be fine, of course, their lives will never be the same. We all go through tragic events, it is the price of being alive.

 

[heavyhitter]

Watched his video about his heart attack last year. In it he mentions he had no dad and didn’t want his kids to grow up without one. Really sad and hard to watch

No mother either really. His grandmother raised him and apparently did a damn good job. Not to take anything away from John because he clearly enjoyed being who he was, having his family, and being involved in something he loved. I wish I was half the man he was

 

[Flex500]

This ^^ is exactly what I mean when I say I feel hopeless. John was under the care of the top cardiac doctors. He (assumingly) took the supps that Dante has recommended. His blood work was ideal. But he died. This is why I am so shaken up. He did everything we are doing "right." And he still died. This is why I am wrestling in my head to just say, "F-it". God has a plan for you with an expiration date and when your date is up, it is up. The best we can hope to do is not speed up the process (drugs, reckless lifestyle etc.) but we cannot necessarily delay it when your time comes. Sorry to be a drag, but Dante's post kind of explains why I am feeling hopeless at this point. This same thing happened to my best friend who died at 52. He was under the care of the best cardiac doctors in SoCal and on the proper meds, supplements etc. ...numbers were great...and he dropped dead. Feeling very fucking mortal right now.

I understand where you are coming from and this gets into a much deeper discussion of free will vs divine intervention and destiny vs maybe just dumb luck (if you are not into the deity component). When my heads start to spin as yours is my best "reset" is to tell myself I'm going to put my best foot forward to live in a healthy many and make responsible decisions for my mental and physical health and let the cards fall where they may.

My father survived cardiac arrest (it was literally a miraculous situation where they literally told us his chance of survival was 0%) and he was under incredible care and supervision and five years later his body was riddled with cancer and he died at 62. He always was having tests and things done so how in the world did that happen? He found out he had cancer and died 48 hours later.

I feel you man...totally get what you are coming from and I think a simple explanation is we (you right now) as humans have fleeting moments where we realize how fragile life is and I think that is likely the heart of your feelings right now.

 

[mrmtg1990]

RIP John, you were a true ambassador to our sport and will be missed by everyone who's life you influenced.

 

[thatguy78]

RIP big guy

 

[nothuman]

This ^^ is exactly what I mean when I say I feel hopeless. John was under the care of the top cardiac doctors. He (assumingly) took the supps that Dante has recommended. His blood work was ideal. But he died. This is why I am so shaken up. He did everything we are doing "right." And he still died. This is why I am wrestling in my head to just say, "F-it". God has a plan for you with an expiration date and when your date is up, it is up. The best we can hope to do is not speed up the process (drugs, reckless lifestyle etc.) but we cannot necessarily delay it when your time comes. Sorry to be a drag, but Dante's post kind of explains why I am feeling hopeless at this point. This same thing happened to my best friend who died at 52. He was under the care of the best cardiac doctors in SoCal and on the proper meds, supplements etc. ...numbers were great...and he dropped dead. Feeling very fucking mortal right now.

I get where you're coming from but I think he might had a clotting mutation like Factor V. I don't think we know for sure but I think that was mentioned when he had his first attack. If you want to test for those things, you can do it easily through blood tests. If you're negative, you might not have to feel so helpless. John was probably just dealt a bad hand.

 

[zacharykane]

The very first conversation I ever had with John he made me cry, i was going thru a lot then and his words of wisdom hit me like a sledgehammer and made me ball my eyes out. 1 in a million type of human being he was.

This hits hard, because that was exactly my first experience actually talking to John as well. He took time out of his busy life to give me some words of encouragement and advice on dealing with negative people when I was going through a real rough patch. A few more times over the years he reached out as well like he just knew I needed a little nudge in the right direction. He was a truly special person, the type that makes me want to be better for myself and for others. It sounds cliche, but I never had a dad growing up either, and having a father-like figure checking in and dispensing advice meant the world to me.

 

[pimpman]

I wish I was half the man he was

You can life is about choices. We create our own destination. You, me and everyone else has it in them to be a good person. Whether we choose too it's up to us

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Oh man, I just.....talk about getting the air knocked out of you followed by a gasp of 1000 emotions and thoughts at once. I can't imagine anybody would know what to actually say on the phone when told that type of news by a spouse. Just her answering the phone in that point in time, instead of just letting it ring, tells you how much Mary has respect for you. I know when my mom passed, I got like 20+ calls and had to just not answer anymore until many hours or a day later.

Your post before this one, about his boys.....it's what gets me too, as a father. My kids mean everything to me, like John's did to him, and I often get that scare in my head wondering, and fearing, not being there for them as they grew older...they are 5 and 8, so a little younger than John's boys, but it hits home big time for me. I have felt the same about everybody else over the many years who passed away and left kids...it's my weakness. John was beyond a great father, he was a super hero like it's been mentioned so many times already.

DC, I am not sure if you can answer this question, not sure if it breaches confidentiality, but did his physicians actually, like ever, finally test him for Factor V Leiden and Prothombin clotting disorders? I know we keep hearing that he had a blood clotting disorder....but was it actually ever tested? I would assume this was the case, for his COD, at least top of the list since his health was so phenomenal on all other labs, but I was just wondering if this was ever for sure verified that he had one of the disorders, or it's just our best assumption....?

As to the bolded up above Mr BMJ, I truly dont know if he was tested for the clotting disorders. I just assumed that the specialists he saw had done that as I would think thats one of the first things you would do...I might have assumed wrong.

 

[maldorf]

As to the bolded up above Mr BMJ, I truly dont know if he was tested for the clotting disorders. I just assumed that the specialists he saw had done that as I would think thats one of the first things you would do...I might have assumed wrong.

When I had my heart attack from a clot, my doctors did not order the genetic tests for clotting disorder. Surprised the hell out of me. I wanted to know so that I could protect my life in the future and also protect my kids.

I had to get forcefull with my cardiologist and demand it. He could see I was really upset and probably just ordered it to appease me. I could see that he thought I didn't have any of the traits. I also think it was natural for him to blame it all on the steroids I had been taking.

So maybe John ran into that too. I think though that John was the kind of guy like me that would have demanded the test.

 

[rAJJIN]

You rarely find a guy that not one single person has anything negative to say about him. And he knew everyone.

You can not replace people like that. It just leaves a hole.

RIP Mt Dog

 

[MR. BMJ]

As to the bolded up above Mr BMJ, I truly dont know if he was tested for the clotting disorders. I just assumed that the specialists he saw had done that as I would think thats one of the first things you would do...I might have assumed wrong.

@maldorf

Sorry, I guess you can't multiple quote...

I just looked at his posts after his heart attack, and apparently Maldorf asked him the following with John's response afterward, that was last year though, so I wonder if he ever got the other tests....and he never really stated what the results were of the venous one were:

maldorf said:
John, did they run DNA test on you to be sure you don't have a clotting disorder like mine (prothrombin mutation/factor 2) or factor 5? I think there are others too.

"Yea I have done the venous one, but not the more arterial in nature ones just yet." -- John/MD

 

[emeric delczeg]

As to the bolded up above Mr BMJ, I truly dont know if he was tested for the clotting disorders. I just assumed that the specialists he saw had done that as I would think thats one of the first things you would do...I might have assumed wrong.

I was watching his last podcast, he was mentioning that he was out in the sun, ( football practice) and he lost 6 lbs, now that is very dangerous for some one having blood disorder.

 

[emeric delczeg]

As to the bolded up above Mr BMJ, I truly dont know if he was tested for the clotting disorders. I just assumed that the specialists he saw had done that as I would think thats one of the first things you would do...I might have assumed wrong.

I blame the specialis.

 

[Knight9]

Here are some links to clotting tests if anyone feels the need. Thanks to NEMSZ .

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/for-those-who-want-to-get-blood-clot-factors-tested.165202/#post-2850302

 

[NEMSZ]

This ^^ is exactly what I mean when I say I feel hopeless. John was under the care of the top cardiac doctors. He (assumingly) took the supps that Dante has recommended. His blood work was ideal. But he died. This is why I am so shaken up. He did everything we are doing "right." And he still died. This is why I am wrestling in my head to just say, "F-it". God has a plan for you with an expiration date and when your date is up, it is up. The best we can hope to do is not speed up the process (drugs, reckless lifestyle etc.) but we cannot necessarily delay it when your time comes. Sorry to be a drag, but Dante's post kind of explains why I am feeling hopeless at this point. This same thing happened to my best friend who died at 52. He was under the care of the best cardiac doctors in SoCal and on the proper meds, supplements etc. ...numbers were great...and he dropped dead. Feeling very fucking mortal right now.

Well if it makes you feel any better you can go through my threads as I started one a while back with a link to where I got my Factor V and Prothrombin Factors tested for like $350 which is pretty affordable for peace of mind if you ask me...

Also, those friends of yours that passed early (and I’m sorry that happened, I can only imagine the pain of losing a life long friend); did you 100% know they didn’t have any genetic factors at play? Were they obese? Eat unhealthy? Exercise often? Genetic factors? Unknown genetic factors? Smoke EVER? Drink EVER? Rec drugs EVER? Prescription meds that may have had side effects? Etc etc...

There could’ve been so many factors at play there... And I ask out of genuine curiosity, not chastising you at all here bro..

As for John, I don’t think John just dropped dead out of no where with everything absolutely healthy for his entire life.. He had some pretty serious genetic factors that almost took him out twice before... You can have the best doctors in the world at that point, but luck plays a part from there on out I believe..

 

[NEMSZ]

Here are some links to clotting tests if anyone feels the need.

https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/for-those-who-want-to-get-blood-clot-factors-tested.165202/#post-2850302

And PERFECT.. Check it out, @xpoc... @Knight9 just posted my thread about the clotting factor tests with the links.. Check them out and get tested if you haven’t already gotten tested in the past.

I recommend anyone spend the money on some great peace of mind...

 

[maldorf]

@maldorf

Sorry, I guess you can't multiple quote...

I just looked at his posts after his heart attack, and apparently Maldorf asked him the following with John's response afterward, that was last year though, so I wonder if he ever got the other tests....and he never really stated what the results were of the venous one were:


"Yea I have done the venous one, but not the more arterial in nature ones just yet." -- John/MD

As far as I know, it's a test on your DNA.,so it wouldn't really matter where the blood is drawn. I do think there are other things they test besides DNA though.

With me, they just drew it from a vein in my arm. Same with my 2 girls. One daughter has it and the other does not. Sucks that one got it.

 

[maldorf]

Most of us are heterozygous, so likelihood of passing it on is usually going to be 50%.

I hope John's boys get tested.

 

[Dezzy]

Wow this one hurts. John seemed to be the embodiment of make the most what you got and sharing your gifts with others. Huge loss for the sport and his family.