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DHB from those in the know

I took no AI even when I mixed it with a fairly high dose of trest e and experienced no estro sides but from what I know of trest the DHB likely is an AI

That said DHB(cyp) + Trest E was what I expected from the MastE+TrenE that everyone loves.
I love mast but tren is not the greatest compound for me regardless of source or ester. Trest dominates tren for me. DHB slight win over mast for me
Noted and thanks again for taking the time my man.

I actually have quite a bit of MENT a/e. Your conclusion seems validated by your experience. I have read so much that states it is equivalent to EQ in E control however different mechanism. However many here report otherwise. I will take everything into account on my run.

I also avoid Tren it's a love hate relationship at the end.
 
Noted and thanks again for taking the time my man.

I actually have quite a bit of MENT a/e. Your conclusion seems validated by your experience. I have read so much that states it is equivalent to EQ in E control however different mechanism. However many here report otherwise. I will take everything into account on my run.

I also avoid Tren it's a love hate relationship at the end.
It should be noted that dhb is not a estrogen inhibitor, it contributes to a better androgenic environment there by reducing estrogenic sides but there is no evidence that it blocks conversation or the estrogen receptor
 
I can't remember if it was Dan Duchain, but someone mentioned that 1t was so irritating that even transdermal was irritating, said person also said that if you took it orally it would irritate you when you pissed. I have no idea if it's actually true or not!
This is correct. When 1-AD came out people talked about this. I remember getting some M1T powder and putting it in an oil carrier for oral use and remember it having a sting feeling on the tongue. There must be something about the 1-androstene structure that causes irritation.
 
Man, overall, those are great labs, especially with something that's considered harder on the system like DHB. Some just get gifted with great genetics to handle certain compounds.
I was surprised too, I was expecting my liver and kidney markers to be much higher. I only stuck with my usual supplements: NAC, injectable glutathione, astragalus, and fish oil.
 
I've had suspicious that 1testcyp brings about questionable labs because of the eo/guaiacol, minus hdl and shgb.
I meant I've been suspicious...

Anyway...

I was thinking of doing 20mg a day of dhb with my normal 20mg a day of testosterone for a cycle.
Thankfully I have older legit dhb raw to make my own.

From what I learned, 20% bb and miglyol840 as a carrier oil (at 100mg per ml) would be perfectly stable and make pip a none issue.

If you still experience PIP with 100% Miglyol 840, replace a portion of the Miglyol with Ethyl Oleate (EO). A 50/50 blend of Miglyol 840 and EO drastically increases the solubility of DHB, completely preventing the micro-crystallization that causes muscle soreness. But me personally, I'm suspicious of EO because of the potential side effects of using it via injectable solution.
As mentioned I would never use guaiacol again.
The taste and feel of TNE made me feel poisoned. That poison taste in your mouth and your sweat smelling like bad motor oil? No thanks...
 
Man, overall, those are great labs, especially with something that's considered harder on the system like DHB. Some just get gifted with great genetics to handle certain compounds.
And some people erroneously parrot off nonsense they read online that certain compounds are "toxic". Or people may have a bad response while on 5 compounds, over a gram for years straight and blame this last bean of DHB for flipping the pot. I don`t feel DHB is toxic IF you are not getting terrible PIP from it.
 
It should be noted that dhb is not a estrogen inhibitor, it contributes to a better androgenic environment there by reducing estrogenic sides but there is no evidence that it blocks conversation or the estrogen receptor
You say no evidence that it blocks conversion, and that it is not an inhibitor.

What evidence says it is not an inhibitor? The lack of evidence that it blocks conversion? Kinda running in a circle there?
 
You say no evidence that it blocks conversion, and that it is not an inhibitor.

What evidence says it is not an inhibitor? The lack of evidence that it blocks conversion? Kinda running in a circle there?
So if someone asked you would yeah it could be ?
 
the only person to be "transparent" about dhb and e2 is unfortunately todd lee and even his own experiment doesn't really hold up IMO


i dont see why anyone would want to use dhb, it makes no sense. AIs are not poison.
 
I've run it a few times. All doses are weekly totals but administered daily along with other oils

1st attempt - 200mg per week; within 5 days had a massive inflammation response - like a flu. Lots of fever and fatigue; was bed bound. Cleared by around day 12 or so and rest of cycle was productive. Occasional mild pip

2nd attempt - 200mg per week. Great cycle - maybe pip from 1 or 2 shots

3rd attempt - 350mg - brilliant cycle. As above

4th attempt - unbearable pip everyshot. Ass swollen like a grapefruit. Felt like shit. Abandoned after a week or so


All using same lab.
 
So if someone asked you would yeah it could be ?
I think it is is what I would day.
4-600 TestEorC 4-600 Trest E 4-600DHBC had pubertal gyno no ai no serm no breast tissue growth. Muscle ^ fat down , way down
 
I've spent a fair amount of time using the search function and reading through the existing DHB threads, but I'm still left with a few questions. Most of what I found either repeats the same general information or comes from people who ran the compound on a singular occasion.

I'm hoping to hear from members with firsthand experience.

For some context, I'm a relatively low aromatizer. EQ has always been a tricky compound for me because if I don't keep my Test Cypionate sufficiently high, my estradiol gradually tanks. I've learned that maintaining the proper Test:EQ ratio is critical for me, so I'm curious whether DHB behaves similarly in the real world. For context I hate ratios personally but in the case of EQi must maintain nearly 4:1.

From what I've gathered, DHB and EQ seem to share some similarities in terms of lean tissue accrual, muscle density, vascularity, and producing a harder, more cosmetic physique. However, there also seems to be plenty of discussion suggesting they're quite different once you've actually spent enough time with each. That's what I'm hoping to better understand.

My goal is quality, lean tissue gain with a hard, cosmetic look rather than simply adding scale weight.

A few questions for those who've actually run DHB:

Did you notice any impact on estradiol or estrogen-related symptoms while using it?

If you've used both DHB and EQ, how would you compare them? Is the comparison justified, or are they really very different compounds in practice?

What dose produced the best balance between results and side effects?

How was the injection experience? Was the PIP significant, and did concentration or carrier oil make a noticeable difference?

Did you notice any effects on appetite, endurance, RBC/hematocrit, blood pressure, or overall wellbeing?

If you had bloodwork before and during the cycle, did anything stand out?

If you had to choose between DHB and EQ for lean growth, which would you choose today and why?

I'd also appreciate hearing what cycles you found DHB worked best in. Did you prefer a simple Test/DHB cycle, or did it really shine when paired with compounds like Masteron, Primobolan, Anavar, or something else?

My current thought is to run approximately 1 gram per week of Test Cypionate for 20-22 weeks, as I have a vacation planned later in the year. I'm trying to determine whether DHB deserves a place in that cycle, what dose seems to be the sweet spot, and what compounds complement it best. I maintain a routine of 6iu HGH split which works best for me, and also consider young this to 10iu in this particular case.

For reference: Stats

- 6'2"
- 260 lbs
- Lean year-round
- Diet is consistently on point (although with kids, an Oreo occasionally sneaks through the cracks 😉).
- I generally tolerate higher doses well and tend to respond very favorably to most compounds. I have a little over a decade of experience which I know is small in comparison to members here, and through appreciate all insight. I remain humble in all ways.

I'm not looking for textbook explanations or copied information. I'm genuinely interested in hearing real world experiences, what you liked, what you didn't, what you would do differently, and whether you'd run it again.

If I've left out any information that would help provide better recommendations, please don't hesitate to ask. I'm here to learn, and I genuinely appreciate anyone taking the time to contribute their experience and knowledge to the discussion. Thanks in advance.

Neon
So you spent two weeks looking and couldn’t find your answer with all the talk about dhb here 🤔ok that’s assuming you started looking since day one of becoming a member
 
So you spent two weeks looking and couldn’t find your answer with all the talk about dhb here 🤔ok that’s assuming you started looking since day one of becoming a member
I don't know what kind of answer your looking for to be honest other than antagonistic?

It’s always the ones with nothing to contribute who act as the self appointed forum police. Do you feel validated?

If you actually read my post instead of just rushing to gatekeep, you’d see it was tailored to specific variables, like a 4:1 Test/EQ requirement, that a generic search won't solve. The fact that you’re focused on my registration date rather than the actual discussion tells me everything I need to know about your depth of knowledge. Thankful for the responses I received with articulation and personal insight.
 
I've used and still use DHB. In my experience, it's one of the best AAS and definitely one of the compounds with the fewest side effects. I didn't experience any E2 fluctuations, the gains were lean and clean, and I'd compare it to a mix between Primobolan and Masteron. Now that I no longer compete, DHB is still my go-to choice. As for the dosage, I used around 200 mg per week alongside testosterone cypionate.
 
I think it is is what I would day.
4-600 TestEorC 4-600 Trest E 4-600DHBC had pubertal gyno no ai no serm no breast tissue growth. Muscle ^ fat down , way down
Trest e and all you used was DHB, no ai, no nolva etc ?
 
Dhb and baldness?
I personally didn't find this topic in my prior looking.

I'm not prone to balding myself, but I do shed and then grow it back depending on certain compounds, Mast being very problematic for me.

I didn't think of this condition, so thank you in advance for adding.
 
I don't know what kind of answer your looking for to be honest other than antagonistic?

It’s always the ones with nothing to contribute who act as the self appointed forum police. Do you feel validated?

If you actually read my post instead of just rushing to gatekeep, you’d see it was tailored to specific variables, like a 4:1 Test/EQ requirement, that a generic search won't solve. The fact that you’re focused on my registration date rather than the actual discussion tells me everything I need to know about your depth of knowledge. Thankful for the responses I received with articulation and personal insight.

Did someone say "forum police"?

That would be me then "cupcake".
 
Trest e and all you used was DHB, no ai, no nolva etc ?
I have the same question.. 400 trest is a lot of aromatization going around and, at least on myself, DHB will not act as an AI. Even if it was, I have tried half of that dosage of trest and 700test+700primo and still had high estrogen
 

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