Diet approach on DNP?

[bennym]

I understand some are against use of DNP now due to the fact we have drugs like GLP1s etc now, but I feel these can be well utilised i. combination with DNP to achieve an even greater deficit and curb some of the carb cravings that DNP gives you.

I’ve run DNP once before went well, but wasn’t too strict on diet due to the carb cravings. Still worked well however.

I’ve heard that DNP becomes largely ineffective, or not as effective as it could be with carbs included. However obviously if you include carbs your deficit is going to be smaller, but the results with carbs seem to be far better than those doing no carbs or PSMF style.

Any recommendations on target deficit, carb intake etc for maximum fat loss while on DNP?

 

[Orville Shreddenbacher]

You may be misinformed about the carbs making DNP " work better " . One of the things DNP does is rip the glycogen out of your body , that's why you burn so much fat , and also explains your carb cravings . Carbs + DNP = 1 watery bag of shit physique . A glp will do nothing to curb carb cravings on DNP . My honest opinion , if you couldn't diet strict on dnp , it's a discipline thing and suffering dnp isn't worth it to just rebound back. Either lower your dose to avoid severe cravings or just use Reta bro .

 

[Splitzz]

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[b-boy]

There is a ton of informative threads on this if you use the search feature, has been discussed numerous times, especially diet and dosages. Check it out, will help you tremendously

Also some great info in the articles section of the board

 

[bennym]

There is a ton of informative threads on this if you use the search feature, has been discussed numerous times, especially diet and dosages. Check it out, will help you tremendously

Also some great info in the articles section of the board

alright cheers boys

 

[tommyguns2]

I would not say that carbs makes DNP work better or worse. DNP increases your calorie expenditure. So totally calorie intake makes the DNP work better or worse. I do think it's fair to say that use of high glycemic index carbs makes you "feel" the DNP more. For example, when on a decent dose of DNP (>= 250mg/day) you'll feel a wave of body heat if you ingest a handful of M&Ms or something else high in sugar.

A keto diet helps some people reduce their calories without feeling extremely hungry, as the protein and fats provide more satiety (sp?) than carbs. So if you're doing keto, carnivore or PSMF, you're likely at a calorie deficit, and taking the DNP just increases that. And with fewer carbs in your system, the heat is likely less pronounced (not zero, just less).

DNP does aggressively deplete muscle glycogen, so you'll feel flat. But if you know that's going to happen, it shouldn't be too much of a mind game for you. You know that once you've completed the DNP run, those glycogen stores will be replenished.

DNP seems to be rapidly falling out of favor here on PM. I suppose I understand that. I'm not a huge fan of it per se, I just think of it as another tool in the tool box. Know what it can do for you, and what it can't do. Then decide if it's the right tool for you at the right time.

 

[Worldsfastestfatty]

My general approach with DNP has been to use a broadly iso-caloric diet; carbs don't make it work harder - they just make the side effects more pronounced.

I do generally find fruit to be a good carb source when running DNP - seems to keep me feeling "normal" and I don't get so much sweating and lethargy post food.

That being said I only ever run DNP at 200mg a day - I use it to take my normal deficit from resulting in a loss of 2/3 lb a week to 5ishlb per week. I'll run for 3 weeks, then switch to clen for 3 weeks. Rinse and repeat until 10% - from there I find DNP less useful and clen much better for getting to single digits.

But such a result can reduce a 12-16 week cut to 8-10 weeks

 

[aminofreak]

Im on day 7 at 250mg daily.
I basically do a protein sparing fast.

1.5g protein per lb lean bodyweight

300g protein
120g carbs total
35g fat total

Carbs are pre and post workout and really only there for satiety and so I dont murder someone.

Fats are trace fats only and 6 grams fish oil daily.

I drink 1.5 gallons of water daily and put electrolyte packets in my water jug to stay hydrated.

Started this 7 days ago at 220lbs 11.92% bf
Woke up this morning 208lbs 8.5% bodyfat

I love DNP but I hate how I feel and look on it. This will be my last go with it.
I have retatrutide on the way and will jump on the reta as soon as DNP has cleared my system. Ill just do 1.5mg reta forever to stay sub 8% bf forever plus all the additional health benefits it comes with.

 

[gauge22-v2]

Do 200mg ED and do full body depletion workouts E3D, eat low carb/low calories, hate life, lose a ton of fat.

 

[Gunsmith]

Run 100-200mg a day with a PSMF diet with what would be a 500 calorie deficit BEFORE the DNP.
A little ECY a few times a day helps with energy and appetite.
Drink a couple V8 juice a day to help with vitamins , minerals and electrolytes and at least a gallon and half if water a day.

 

[Worldsfastestfatty]

Run 100-200mg a day with a PSMF diet with what would be a 500 calorie deficit BEFORE the DNP.
A little ECY a few times a day helps with energy and appetite.
Drink a couple V8 juice a day to help with vitamins , minerals and electrolytes and at least a gallon and half if water a day.

Excuse my ignorance because PSMF isn't something I'm experienced with; but doesn't PSMF normally end up at like a 1000+kcal deficit? Isn't it just 200g of protein and that's it?

Totally see your point - even 100mg of DNP a day on top of that is gonna be dramatic

 

[Mufasa123]

Lower cals to increase deficit beyond what dnp is doing. Just not too low or it gets super hard for not much reward (diminishing returns). I go to 2000-2300 on average from a 3500 maintenance. No issues. Drop to 1500 and struggle hard.

They tested diet types in the 1930s. Didn't matter to results. Calories matter. I'd certainly get enough protein but just run whatever macros you want. I eat low carb so keep protein constant and bring fat down for deficit. A good cheat/refead meal helps every now and then too. Both in feeling good and keeping things rolling.

I don't sweat much unless I get closer to 500mg ED. Carbs don't make me sweat and I have no issues controlling my appetite/consumption. I keep runs lower dose and short (2 weeks max). Many approaches work. This is my preference.

 

[Sully1234]

I used to go hard like 250-500 mg per day for 10 days straight and suffer through the night sweats and misery to be done with it.

But the last few weeks I've been doing 250-500mg Monday, 250mg Tuesday

3iu GH twice a day
600mg Inj L Carnitine
PSMF
2 hour SS Cardio a day

So its 3-4 days of being bored, not too sweaty, no night sweats (biggest pro for a poor sleeper) and good results.

After the water and glycogen rebalanced, I lost 8-10 lbs after two weeks of that. Plus get the weekends to socialize.

This is what I imagine I'll do going forward for general fat loss unless I need to hunker down for a beach vacation.

 

[Gunsmith]

Excuse my ignorance because PSMF isn't something I'm experienced with; but doesn't PSMF normally end up at like a 1000+kcal deficit? Isn't it just 200g of protein and that's it?

Totally see your point - even 100mg of DNP a day on top of that is gonna be dramatic

Sort of , thats why I stated start with a 500 cal deficit.

But , let's use 1000 cal deficit as an example to set up a diet.
The average 180-200lb guy probably has a maintenance caloric need of say 3500 a day as a moderate average. Subtract 1000 cals and we are at 2500 a day. Let's use just chicken breast for our protein to make it simple. 1 ounce of baked chicken breast has roughly 8g protein and 1.5g fat. If we use 50oz of chicken a day that gives us 400g protein and 75g fat which is 2275 calories , leaving us 225 calories for our vegetables , which would be about a pound of romaine AND a pound of boiled green beans.
Divided up into 6 meals you would have roughly 8oz of meat and 5oz of vegetables per meal , if you used something like canned albacore or baked Cod you could add even more protein with calories being close because its less fat.
Using a zero calorie dressing or honey mustard for flavor and your set.

100mg of DNP is pretty tolerable for me even in the summer when its as hot as Satan's ass crack and even more humid down here. I wouldn't do 200mg unless its winter or lived in a cooler dryer climate or had a job in the AC.

 

[Worldsfastestfatty]

Sort of , thats why I stated start with a 500 cal deficit.

But , let's use 1000 cal deficit as an example to set up a diet.
The average 180-200lb guy probably has a maintenance caloric need of say 3500 a day as a moderate average. Subtract 1000 cals and we are at 2500 a day. Let's use just chicken breast for our protein to make it simple. 1 ounce of baked chicken breast has roughly 8g protein and 1.5g fat. If we use 50oz of chicken a day that gives us 400g protein and 75g fat which is 2275 calories , leaving us 225 calories for our vegetables , which would be about a pound of romaine AND a pound of boiled green beans.
Divided up into 6 meals you would have roughly 8oz of meat and 5oz of vegetables per meal , if you used something like canned albacore or baked Cod you could add even more protein with calories being close because its less fat.
Using a zero calorie dressing or honey mustard for flavor and your set.

100mg of DNP is pretty tolerable for me even in the summer when its as hot as Satan's ass crack and even more humid down here. I wouldn't do 200mg unless its winter or lived in a cooler dryer climate or had a job in the AC.

Interesting - although the idea of eating a pound of romaine everyday makes me nauseous talk about rabbit food!

I live in UK and only use DNP during winter - 200mg is barley noticeable. Slightly drier throat at the end of the day and that's about it. Never been any higher as never needed to - I agree with you - low dose and a suitable diet and its high reward for little effort

 

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[BBBoothy]

You may be misinformed about the carbs making DNP " work better " . One of the things DNP does is rip the glycogen out of your body , that's why you burn so much fat , and also explains your carb cravings . Carbs + DNP = 1 watery bag of shit physique . A glp will do nothing to curb carb cravings on DNP . My honest opinion , if you couldn't diet strict on dnp , it's a discipline thing and suffering dnp isn't worth it to just rebound back. Either lower your dose to avoid severe cravings or just use Reta bro .

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