Dieting/Carbing up/?

[Mr.Huge]

While im dieting when should I carb up? For how long? And how many carbs is sufficient? What sources of food for carbing up to use?

My enegry levels are good I dont feel I need anything but when i do i will usually simply eat green veggies, oatmeal or brown rice. etc.. still no more then 50-75g of carbs.

I am currently keeping the carb count between 25-50 carbs per day from the foods mentioned previously. Only counting the oatmeal and brown rice. Your help is appreciated.



Mr.Huge

 

[haze324]

I'm taking in about 120 grams of carbs a day and every fourth day I take in 250-300 grams. I make sure to eat carbs with every meal starting at 6am and my last carb meal is around 2-3pm. Then I go back to the veggies. I feel extremely full that day, muscle and belly, but the next morning is when i look my best, my belly's gone down and my skin is tight and hard. I have great lifts that day. Same carbs as regular days, oatmeal, brown rice, etc. I just add them to more meals. Seems to be working for ME, but I'm on a few more supplements.

 

[vitor]

Right now im doing kind of A Bulk Cut if there is such a thing. Basiclly Im getting 400 grams of protein a day, 40-80 grams of carbs post workout, usally some Sweet Tarts or Bottle caps, with half a Regular coke, with my protein shake, then the rest of the day its Protein and fats. Some good fats, olive oil, flax, and some bad, Eggs, 2 steaks etc.

I dunno usally people carb up because they are tired, irritable, or want to increase lepitin levels or some mumbo jumbo. My .02 cents is this cut isnt for too long, and you are still eating alot of calories so skip the carb up.

If you were going to carb up, I think your first 3 meals of the day usally good carbs, IE, Potatoes, OatMeal, good carbs.

 

[Vander_V]

While im dieting when should I carb up? For how long? And how many carbs is sufficient? What sources of food for carbing up to use?

My enegry levels are good I dont feel I need anything but when i do i will usually simply eat green veggies, oatmeal or brown rice. etc.. still no more then 50-75g of carbs.

I am currently keeping the carb count between 25-50 carbs per day from the foods mentioned previously. Only counting the oatmeal and brown rice. Your help is appreciated.



Mr.Huge

WHats your purpose is dieting is it for a show or just to get lean? let me know i have some solid advice either way.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

WHats your purpose is dieting is it for a show or just to get lean? let me know i have some solid advice either way.

That he definatly does. BUT be careful if your not depleated and you take a cheat day your gonna look like shit lol, i did that last week n learned my lesson.

 

[Mr.Huge]

My purpose..

WHats your purpose is dieting is it for a show or just to get lean? let me know i have some solid advice either way.

My purpose is to stay lean all year around and not get back to where I let myself go after a long time out of the gym. I would like to get my b/f down to no more then 6-8% preferrably all year long. Maintain this level naturally for as long as I can. I have contmplated doing shows for years but I want to maintain this low of b/f for a long duration before I go and put my body through the stress if i decide to go that route. Right now just get healthy and lean as possible naturally. No real reason other then I know I have the discipline, dedication, and determination it takes to succeed at what Im doing. Just looking for some help in getting there.


Mr.Huge

 

[smallsparrow]

Vander

Hey Vander I was wanting to get your thoughts on a diet anyway, and then I seen this thread......I am looking to get lean, actually I have been following a very strict comp. diet and I am almost down to where I want to stay for the summer.....

My question for you is how do you maintain your lean state and still enjoy some cheat meals/food to stay sane......I am guessing that you DO eat meals that wouldn't fall under the comp. diet category...right??? Since you are only doing modeling work right now and not comps.....is that correct?

Do you eat 4 strict meals and 1 cheat meal per day? per week??? just wondering what your philosphy is on this?

Also, do you do this clean or does it make a huge difference if you are say taking clen, or GH, or ???? Do you workout differently? cardio or no??

Didn't mean to hijack the thread but I think we are looking for the same thing...

thanks bro...peace and stay safe.....ss.

 

[New_Mass]

diet/deplete/load in this order

1st you need to know if you have a fast metab.. or slow metabolism so you can 1st learn to adjust your carbs( maybe take away some of the simple sugars in your 4,5th or last meal of the night/ this is something you have to play with according to your metab..) then use this process maybe for the next 4 weeks to get some what lean, maybe to the point where your abs are at least showing a little before you carb load/carb deplete. The leaner you are the better effect you'll get from carb load/deplete if done correct. Now carb load/deplete is about the muscle being able to take in more muscle glycogen after it has been depleted(through diet and training). its other techniques that go along with this but you only asked for carb load/deplete.

Now to figure out the amount of carbs, clean carbs you should be eating when loading you should take in about 3 times your body weight in grams(ex. if you weigh 230 then you should take in about 630 carbs a day). when depleting take in the least amount in which you also have to play with.

So after tweeking your diet to get some what lean you should carb deplete 1st for 3 days, still train(maybe high reps and cardio) so you can get the muscle depleted well and these 3 days your on a high protein low carb diet. after the 3 days you'll start the carb loading for 3 days and then see what ya got.

As far as the water/sodium that goes along with this we'll leave some room for someone else. good luck

 

[Vander_V]

Hey Vander I was wanting to get your thoughts on a diet anyway, and then I seen this thread......I am looking to get lean, actually I have been following a very strict comp. diet and I am almost down to where I want to stay for the summer.....

My question for you is how do you maintain your lean state and still enjoy some cheat meals/food to stay sane......I am guessing that you DO eat meals that wouldn't fall under the comp. diet category...right??? Since you are only doing modeling work right now and not comps.....is that correct?

Do you eat 4 strict meals and 1 cheat meal per day? per week??? just wondering what your philosphy is on this?

Also, do you do this clean or does it make a huge difference if you are say taking clen, or GH, or ???? Do you workout differently? cardio or no??

Didn't mean to hijack the thread but I think we are looking for the same thing...

thanks bro...peace and stay safe.....ss.

This applys to you also Mr Huge,

1st of all you need to speed your diet up so fucking fast , keep the carbs super low for as long as it takes before you feel like SHIT , once your body has almost zero pump in the gym and your workout becomes crappy and you cant feel a thing this is GOOD its right where you wanna be , Tuff out the crappy day then the next morning EAT PIZZA or food of your choice , now dont pig the fuck out but maybe like 3 -4 slices will do , thats the only cheat meal until the crap ass day returns ,keep doing this for as long as you want and you will see that fat dissapear and veins popping everywhere , the key is knowing when to SPIKE it ,,, as TP4U had mebntioned he spiked it to early so stay intune with your pump and workouts and youll know danm well the right day to cheat trust me cause your body will be lethargic and weak and begging for the cheat meal ,,,, only eat the cheat meal for lucnh and if it takes you 10 days to get tehre then it takes 10 days ,,, my spike was every 6 day but were all differnt, good luck o the both of ya. hope that helps

 

[gooey]

I did that too but...

not this time, that day of and after u feel the whole lethargic feeling, the bloat feeling and its not that great. I kept things consistent this time and ill see how the end product is, but those high calorie days and high sugar days were just a tease and a big bloat feeling aft and it didnt realy speed up my metab anymore then without. I believe in timing, when to do it, when u need the most carbs, and when u need none, but u have to know your body and that can take a long time but u can tell how u react to things, your not a skinny kid so u know thats itx gonna take some cardio, low carbs and some high protein to get where u want to go. Dieting isnt always fun hence why there's DIE in the word. But if u manipulate your body, and keep it happy as best u can itll do what u want, u just have to trick it, feed it, and let it know that everythings gonna be ok, that is why it gets easier everytime u do it. For right now in my opinion, F the carb up till u get some BF% off. Is it tough... yes thats why not everyone can call themselves a BBer, anyone can go to the gym and lift weights, but can ya suffer yourself through your diet and then train too? I like keeping things consistent. Its a gut check I know but your gonna have to suffer yourself if u wanna shave off some chub and water. Thats why I say fat is happy, sometimes id rather have flabs and a smile then abs and a frown
gooey

 

[New_Mass]

I say experiment with what everyone is saying and see what works best for you. just remember that its your body a system your dealing with and its good to introduce things to a system gradually rather than blitzing it all at once

the blizt should only come after your body has experience with what ever it is you have introduced to it

 

[gooey]

amen

I say experiment with what everyone is saying and see what works best for you. just remember that its your body a system your dealing with and its good to introduce things to a system gradually rather than blitzing it all at once

the blizt should only come after your body has experience with what ever it is you have introduced to it

I call it the theory of relativity, to each there own and whatever works for u works for u thats what makes u different then the rest of us
gooey

 

[vitor]

Vander in your diet, are you eating alot of fats, or just mainly protein and fat from a steak or eggs is fine?

Whats the Ratio's,

 

[Vander_V]

not this time, that day of and after u feel the whole lethargic feeling, the bloat feeling and its not that great. I kept things consistent this time and ill see how the end product is, but those high calorie days and high sugar days were just a tease and a big bloat feeling aft and it didnt realy speed up my metab anymore then without. I believe in timing, when to do it, when u need the most carbs, and when u need none, but u have to know your body and that can take a long time but u can tell how u react to things, your not a skinny kid so u know thats itx gonna take some cardio, low carbs and some high protein to get where u want to go. Dieting isnt always fun hence why there's DIE in the word. But if u manipulate your body, and keep it happy as best u can itll do what u want, u just have to trick it, feed it, and let it know that everythings gonna be ok, that is why it gets easier everytime u do it. For right now in my opinion, F the carb up till u get some BF% off. Is it tough... yes thats why not everyone can call themselves a BBer, anyone can go to the gym and lift weights, but can ya suffer yourself through your diet and then train too? I like keeping things consistent. Its a gut check I know but your gonna have to suffer yourself if u wanna shave off some chub and water. Thats why I say fat is happy, sometimes id rather have flabs and a smile then abs and a frown
gooey

Gooey thats the whole point bro , slow the metabolism then speed it up fast burns fat like crazy and your body is needing it without a doubt , but if your a fat bastard like gooey then dont do this LMAO jk bro .

 

[Vander_V]

Vander in your diet, are you eating alot of fats, or just mainly protein and fat from a steak or eggs is fine?

Whats the Ratio's,

3 tablspoons flax
3 tablspoons natural PB
1 tablspoon olive oil

DAILY

 

[haze324]

GOOEY,

Do you think you are preserving more muscle staying consistant this time around? Also how much muscle do you think you are burning away by waiting to feel like crab before you get your cheat meal in?

 

[Vander_V]

GOOEY,

Do you think you are preserving more muscle staying consistant this time around? Also how much muscle do you think you are burning away by waiting to feel like crab before you get your cheat meal in?

burning muscle????? u do realize you have to be at an extremely ridiculously low BF and high amount of cardio to burn muscle especially with aas .

 

[gooey]

still possible....

GOOEY,

Do you think you are preserving more muscle staying consistant this time around? Also how much muscle do you think you are burning away by waiting to feel like crab before you get your cheat meal in?

drugs can only do so much, thats what people want to believe, yes they do there job plenty of clinical studies that prove there effectiveness and efficacy. Why cannot a person lose muscle, it it possible, ur in a calorie deficit, ur could be burning a couple of 1,000 kcal a day based on your basal metabolic rate and your energy expenditure during intense lifting and moderate intens cardio. I think it is very possible. One cannot assume that one could retain 100% of the muscle tissue they had in the off-season regardless of the drug regiment they are on. Like I stated b4 Ive done the whole carb up thing and the cheat day thing too, feel like ass, bloated, tired from the insulin spike and overall it just takes a day away from dieting. I went out to eat back in Feb and had whatever I wanted and it stuck. and I didnt gain much weight but I wasnt eating ice cream and chips. It takes time to store as fat tissue. Yes I feel like a crab and moody, and want to eat something that I shouldnt have, but Ive always been a carnivore, luv fish, chkn, steak, turkey. I eat these things on a regiment. Once I get into a groove I stay in it and I make things like that more accessible. Dieting is not that hard it is a change in lifestyle but and it does suck, but I am never hungry. Sure for things that I want, but I know they wont get me where I need to go. So I stay on track and eat what I need to eat to get where I need to go. Its dieting, not starving yourself.
gooey

 

[Mr.Huge]

Hey guys...

I just wanted to say I really appreaciate your help and suggestions. Most of this stuff Im already doing, but am just asking to reassure myself Im doing things the right way. Its been a long time since I have had to bust my ass like this to get to where I want to be. Actually probably never had to work this hard to get where I want to be.

I am always open to new ideas and just dont want to let myself get all out of shape again this time around. When I was arrested 2 years ago I got real depressed and quit lifting completely and let my body go to shit. I think now Im finally back on track where the gym is concerned i dont want to get that way again. Once again I appreaciate all of your imput and will impliment the things I am not doing into my program so thank you again.




Mr.Huge

 

[xcelbeyond]

Why cannot a person lose muscle, it it possible, ur in a calorie deficit, ur could be burning a couple of 1,000 kcal a day based on your basal metabolic rate and your energy expenditure during intense lifting and moderate intens cardio. I think it is very possible. One cannot assume that one could retain 100% of the muscle tissue they had in the off-season regardless of the drug regiment they are on.

I'm glad you said this. If I had a dollar for every pound of muscle I lost, I could buy you and myself a bottle of test.

When I competed back in the 80's, gear was VERY expensive and hard to get REAL stuff - lots of fakes. My mentor (don't like to call him trainer as he was a VERY successful bb'er) told how tricky it was to get in comp shape with gear (keep in mind the things stated earlier). So - I always dropped gear when getting ready for a comp.

Speed the clock up to recent days. When I competed about two years ago, I used gear - this time I knew what I was doing and was guided by Wylde. Guess what - I still lost a TON of muscle. Now I probably retained more size than I did in the eightys but lost MORE than I thought I would.

Its been a long time since I have had to bust my ass like this to get to where I want to be. Actually probably never had to work this hard to get where I want to be.

I'm glad you're staying focused on the job at hand - you WILL reap the rewards. People will notice - even attribute what you did to drugs