DIM anyone still use it?

[BALDNAZI]

I searched the old threads and it seemed to fall out of favor a few years ago as an estrogen control. Not ideal for bodybuilding was the sentiment. Any new views or insights if guys have tried to make it work?
Wife just got some in and it brought me down the rabbit hole.

 

[romo]

Interesting you just posted this as i just ordered some last night. Purencapsulation dimpro . I just had prostate surgery removal. They are watching my psa levels very closely. Last test was 0.11 very low. Was 6.9 when diagnosed with cancer. It needs to be undetectable, which it almost is. There is medical studies where dim has the ability to fight any psa cancer cells that might be remaining. Of course as you know we use it to somewhat replace AIs , free up T and rid the bad estrogen.

 

[BALDNAZI]

Interesting you just posted this as i just ordered some last night. Purencapsulation dimpro . I just had prostate surgery removal. They are watching my psa levels very closely. Last test was 0.11 very low. Was 6.9 when diagnosed with cancer. It needs to be undetectable, which it almost is. There is medical studies where dim has the ability to fight any psa cancer cells that might be remaining.

Thank you bro. Sorry you had to go through that. I really pray that you’ll be good to go from now on

Yea, I’m curious about its anti estrogen effects and how it helps prostate issues. Hope to hear from others as well.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

I searched the old threads and it seemed to fall out of favor a few years ago as an estrogen control. Not ideal for bodybuilding was the sentiment. Any new views or insights if guys have tried to make it work?
Wife just got some in and it brought me down the rabbit hole.

I think there was a huge thread on it quite a while back.
I came to the consensus of it being no use to me personally.
If I’m recalling correctly it helps metabolize estrogen to a weaker form but is basically a fart in the wind if running decent doses of AAS with estrogen control already in place.

At a certain dose I think it shows anti androgen properties in some tissues.

Pretty sure it binds to and affects the estrogen receptor

Anything beyond that idk

 

[whacked]

I think there was a huge thread on it quite a while back.
I came to the consensus of it being no use to me personally.
If I’m recalling correctly it helps metabolize estrogen to a weaker form but is basically a fart in the wind if running decent doses of AAS with estrogen control already in place.

At a certain dose I think it shows anti androgen properties in some tissues.

Pretty sure it binds to and affects the estrogen receptor

Anything beyond that idk

Thanks SM.

Ditto for just TRT?

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Thanks SM.

Ditto for just TRT?

Ehhhh, well it’ll still bind to and affect the estrogen receptor. Would reduce the amount of I guess e2 is getting converted to e1 I’m not really sure.
It has antagonist and agonist properties and in breast tissue I’m pretty sure it’s agonist that’s why I left it.

All this is from a while back so I may be mixing things up. All I know for certain is at the time I did a deep dive and threw my bottle out

 

[hawkmoon]

I think there was a huge thread on it quite a while back.
I came to the consensus of it being no use to me personally.
If I’m recalling correctly it helps metabolize estrogen to a weaker form but is basically a fart in the wind if running decent doses of AAS with estrogen control already in place.

At a certain dose I think it shows anti androgen properties in some tissues.

Pretty sure it binds to and affects the estrogen receptor

Anything beyond that idk

That's sort of what I recall as well.
In the end I discontinued it like you as it seems more suited to a general person for "hormonal balance"; not a BB'er on PEDs.

 

[whacked]

Ehhhh, well it’ll still bind to and affect the estrogen receptor. Would reduce the amount of I guess e2 is getting converted to e1 I’m not really sure.
It has antagonist and agonist properties and in breast tissue I’m pretty sure it’s agonist that’s why I left it.

All this is from a while back so I may be mixing things up. All I know for certain is at the time I did a deep dive and threw my bottle out

Thank you.

I’ve been on a small dose of Exemestane for years alongside my TRT.

I’d rather go the herbal route if it were possible but it doesn’t sound like it. Lol

Thank you for the info

 

[buck]

Tried it a couple times years ago with no noticeable results. Tried it again about a year of so back. Blood work stayed the same

 

[fisther69]

I think there was a huge thread on it quite a while back.
I came to the consensus of it being no use to me personally.
If I’m recalling correctly it helps metabolize estrogen to a weaker form but is basically a fart in the wind if running decent doses of AAS with estrogen control already in place.

At a certain dose I think it shows anti androgen properties in some tissues.

Pretty sure it binds to and affects the estrogen receptor

Anything beyond that idk

Never did shit with my bloodwork..and it didn’t make my dick any more impressive…so I ditched that shit

 

[buck]

Never did shit with my bloodwork..and it didn’t make my dick any more impressive…so I ditched that shit

The only person ever been impressed with my dick is me. I would have to give up all supplements if impressing other was a criteria!

 

[hogan87]

To really see if you need DIM a dutch test (urine) should be done. That tests all your metabolites for hormones and what pathways it goes down. DIM can help estrogen break down to go in a more favorable direction.

 

[abt10]

Never did shit with my bloodwork..and it didn’t make my dick any more impressive…so I ditched that shit

yeah.. seemed to cause less than effective 'wood' .. ditched.

 

[abt10]

Thank you.

I’ve been on a small dose of Exemestane for years alongside my TRT.

I’d rather go the herbal route if it were possible but it doesn’t sound like it. Lol

Thank you for the info

what makes the 'herbal route' safer or less side-effect prone ?
most meds are just concentrations of active ingredients found in 'nature' aka herbs.
i get that theres an entourage effect when taken in herbal form.. but the result is still the same.

 

[whacked]

what makes the 'herbal route' safer or less side-effect prone ?
most meds are just concentrations of active ingredients found in 'nature' aka herbs.
i get that theres an entourage effect when taken in herbal form.. but the result is still the same.

That’s a fair question.

Perhaps it’s not the best logic; but for me, there’s just something inherently safer about an unadulterated natural source versus something synthesized in a lab.

This is akin to Metformin vs Berberine.

Of course there are examples to the contrary as well; but generally, I think this tends to be the case.

Secondly, I’m on an AI / suicide inhibitor (Exemestane) and I’ve read enough about these over the years to question their long term safety; albeit my lower doesn’t make me lose too much sleep at night.

That said, this medication-shotgun approach for estrogen control is not completely benign and I’d simply prefer to be off as many synthetic meds as possible as it relates to long term health.

 

[fisther69]

The only person ever been impressed with my dick is me. I would have to give up all supplements if impressing other was a criteria!

Have you considered glamor shots? It’ll do wonders

 

[BALDNAZI]

That’s a fair question.

Perhaps it’s not the best logic; but for me, there’s just something inherently safer about an unadulterated natural source versus something synthesized in a lab.

This is akin to Metformin vs Berberine.

Of course there are examples to the contrary as well; but generally, I think this tends to be the case.

Secondly, I’m on an AI / suicide inhibitor (Exemestane) and I’ve read enough about these over the years to question their long term safety; albeit my lower doesn’t make me lose too much sleep at night.

That said, this medication-shotgun approach for estrogen control is not completely benign and I’d simply prefer to be off as many synthetic meds as possible as it relates to long term health.

Exactly my thoughts and why I asked. Not everything requires a sledgehammer approach.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

That’s a fair question.

Perhaps it’s not the best logic; but for me, there’s just something inherently safer about an unadulterated natural source versus something synthesized in a lab.

This is akin to Metformin vs Berberine.

Of course there are examples to the contrary as well; but generally, I think this tends to be the case.

Secondly, I’m on an AI / suicide inhibitor (Exemestane) and I’ve read enough about these over the years to question their long term safety; albeit my lower doesn’t make me lose too much sleep at night.

That said, this medication-shotgun approach for estrogen control is not completely benign and I’d simply prefer to be off as many synthetic meds as possible as it relates to long term health.

Nature is out to get you if you’re male

Look at how many phytoestrogens and pro-estrogenic compounds exist in nature and are in our daily lives.

Two big ones- lavender and hops. EVERYWHERE
Not even worth mentioning soy that shit is everywhere for decades now

How many pro-androgen compounds exist in nature and even further how many are we in contact with daily?
Well I have no idea, I’m not a botanist but still,

Seems suspicious

Half serious half lolz

The shit IS everywhere but shit is how it is

 

[whacked]

^ lolol. Good point!!

The whole world is so toxic anymore and we are all going to die of microplastic tissue saturation anyway. lol

Ps. Plastics = more estrogen = endocrine disruption !!

We can’t win. lol.