dnp + insulin bulking

[Omegasox]

Last day of AS administration
Days 1-8 DNP with insulin and T3
Days 9-16 DNP is not used, insulin use continues, T3 continues for days 9-12
Days 17-24 DNP with insulin and T3
BACK ON THE JUICE!!

This makes no sense. It takes DNP ~1 week to reach peak concentration so why would you drop it once it finally reaches its apex only to start over again.

 

[lalovegaa]

For those of you that are wondering what he is talking about? This is a copy and paste:

The perfect “off” cycle

I’m sure by now that everyone is familiar with the use of insulin of bodybuilding circles. Without a doubt, insulin use is the greatest advance in the sport since GH in the early 80’s. I would say that the massive size increases you have seen in the sport over the past five years have been a direct result of insulin use, more so than anything else. Insulin can also kill you.

Most of you are probably aware of DNP’s use in bodybuilding. For those of you who aren’t familiar with DNP, which by the way stands for 2,4-Dinitrophenol, it is an unbelievable fat burning drug. If you’ve ever wondered how a pro bodybuilder drops down from say, 280 to 225-230 in a very short period of time, it’s probably because that particular individual is using DNP with a host of other drugs like thyroid, clenbuterol, etc. In fact, this bodybuilder might develop thyroid problems and balloon up and down in weight, even missing shows or looking horrible at others. Man, good thing this isn’t a real person we’re talking about. Anyway, I digress. DNP is the greatest thing to come along in dieting since, well, I guess it’s about the only good thing to come along that I can think of. And, DNP will kill you quicker than insulin.

Before we continue on, let’s get real for a moment. Please do not use either insulin or DNP. I’m not joking that either of them can kill you, in fact the bottle of DNP I’m looking at right now lists the many horrible consequences of just touching the stuff. Be warned that you are taking your life in your hands by using either insulin or DNP. DNP is used in bug sprays for Christ’s sake. Now that I got that off my chest, we can continue.

I’m really not going to bore you with long and complicated explanations of how both DNP and insulin work in the body, but I do need to touch on the subject. Many of the articles written about DNP refer to it’s abilities to block the actions of insulin. This is true only in a limited sense. Insulin is released by pancreatic beta cells in response to elevated ATP/ADP ratios. Briefly, when your blood sugar levels rise, your ATP/ADP levels become elevated, inhibiting ATP sensitive potassium ion channels (KATP), altering the membrane potential of the pancreatic cells and causing insulin release. The key point here is that insulin will not be released unless ATP levels within the cells increase. DNP interferes with the protein complex ATP synthase, which allows for the synthesis of ATP from ADP and Pi (inorganic phosphate). Since DNP interferes with a key step in ATP production, obviously ATP levels never elevate within any cell, including pancreatic beta cells. Hence, the feedback system through the KATP channels (at least in regards to insulin release), is disabled, and you effectively make yourself a diabetic while on DNP.

The primary action of insulin in the body is to drive glucose into muscle and liver cells (stored as glycogen) which is converted into ATP. ATP again? Since DNP reduces ATP production significantly, it again interferes with insulin by preventing a significant amount of the glucose that is pushed into cells by insulin from ever being used as energy (at least by the cell). So, what is happening to all of this energy that is being expended through the electron transport chain to turn ADP and Pi into ATP? It’s thrown off as heat, and lots of it. In fact, because the amount of heat produced is a direct correlation of how much DNP is consumed, taking too much DNP will cook you from the inside out. Let me repeat this. Taking too much DNP will fry you like an egg. It doesn’t sound like a pleasant way to die, does it? DNP is not one of those, hey a little did me good, more will do me better kind of substances. A little will do you good and more will burn your ass up.

So, now we understand the ways in which DNP interferes with some of the actions of insulin. Another action of insulin (thank you God) is that it promotes transport of amino acids from the bloodstream into muscles and other cells. Insulin also increases the rate at which amino acids are incorporated into protein. Although DNP does block the release of insulin and prevents a key component of the electron transport chain (ATP synthase, remember?), it does nothing to prevent the aforementioned extremely anabolic affect of insulin. Therefore, when you use DNP, you should be administering insulin at the same time. The exogenous insulin will still work its anabolic magic while the DNP burns off reams of body fat through the resultant metabolic increase.

Many so called Gurus are recommending incorporating DNP as a component to any steroid cycle to ensure that weight gained is purely muscle and not fat. While this certainly works great on paper, application is a little different. I am a firm believer in training and eating to grow while on a heavy cycle (and what other kind is there?) Anyone who has any kind of contact with any professional bodybuilder in the off season will see that the chicken and rice thing has been thrown out of the window and that junk food rules the day. Their drug use is of such magnitude that eating clean would simply not supply the necessary calories for growth. Have you ever tried to consume 5000+ calories while on a low fat diet? Good luck. So, while they are certainly growing like a weed in the off season, they also tend to put on a bit of fat. Big deal. I’m going to let you in on a little secret. The only time those guys look like that is when they are on stage. Many people assume that the top guys are in shape all year round because they never see any pictures of them in the off season. And with good reason. Most (not all, but most) bodybuilders look like a chipmunk with a walnut in each cheek in the off season. These fellow tend to get a bit fat and bloated from their diets and heavy drug use. Now taking DNP while cycling will certainly help keep you leaner. It will also make you weaker, uncomfortable, and more quick to tire from a workout. Obviously not a good combination for consuming mass quantities while kicking ass in the gym is it? Therefore, we need a schedule for DNP administration. I’m a firm believer in down time from cycles (another article me thinks?), not because of receptor down regulation but from other factors. I propose a system where the athlete uses AS for 10 weeks, similar to the system advocated by Paul Borreson, followed by three weeks of down time. During this down time, 24 days actually, the athlete uses DNP in conjunction with insulin and T3, losing body fat while maintaining lean body mass. The dosing schedule would be as follows:

Last day of AS administration
Days 1-8 DNP with insulin and T3
Days 9-16 DNP is not used, insulin use continues, T3 continues for days 9-12
Days 17-24 DNP with insulin and T3
BACK ON THE JUICE!!

Thats exacly what i am talkin bout bro, i think it makes perfect sense. Idk but i think that is the reason that alot ifbb use massive dose of insulin by doing that risky trick. ( deplete-charging method.

 

[Gunsmith]

Thats exacly what i am talkin bout bro, i think it makes perfect sense. Idk but i think that is the reason that alot ifbb use massive dose of insulin by doing that risky trick. ( deplete-charging method.

I personally know 3 IFBB pro bodybuilders and have discussed dieting and drug strategies with them and what their coaches suggest as far as supplement use and NONE of them have used of ever thought about using DNP , I take that back , one used 300mg a day for 10 days while on a 7 day cruise where he wanted to eat freely and was worried about his body fat.

DNP is a great tool for those that have a ton of fat to lose ina short time but aside from that I think it's a crutch for a shitty diet or no self control.

As far as using it in the above mentioned protocol , in theory it seems like it would work but have you honestly seen it work first hand??
In 23 year of working out 18 years of being around steroids I've never heard of anyone using anything like this and I've heard of some wacky ass ideas.

If you are 6'4" and 185 pound the absolute last thing you need is something that's going to raise your metabolism at all because you're obviously not eating nearly enough now.!!!

What does your current diet and training regimen look like now

 

[concreteguy]

Have you tried it your self if so what were your results

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Did you read my post? I copied and pasted this so anyone wondering what he's talking about would better understand it. Those aren't my words.

 

[RamboStallone]

You obviously have it all figured out at 6'4" 185lbs [emoji57]

Please tell me your natural or something? Those are the stats of a twig.

 

[concreter]

I started lifting again when I saw a picture at my 40th...6'2" @ 202lbs.
Pathetically Skinny!
Kinda Miss the 32" waist though // lol

 

[Strongman37]

Did you read my post? I copied and pasted this so anyone wondering what he's talking about would better understand it. Those aren't my words.

Yes i read it i understand the principals, it was very informative i dont recall if you said you tried it. Just a question you are probably one of the most experienced vets on here.

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[concreteguy]

Yes i read it i understand the principals, it was very informative i dont recall if you said you tried it. Just a question you are probably one of the most experienced vets on here.

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Hey friend, I wrote my opinion on using Lantus insulin and was literally drug through the dirt and called out on it for not posting pics of me doing it. I doubt I will ever comment on insulin use again. I then posted before and after pics and was attacked again. I literally had a few members post pics of the worst I have ever looked on stage and proclaim me to be washed up and a loser. They said because I'm under 200lbs my words carry no merit. This all for just trying to help a few guys that may be wondering what the hell is going on with some of these BBers getting so huge.

I appreciate your comment and thank you for it.

As a direct result of being called out in this manor I will be holding a log and showing anyone who wants to travel this path with me how washed up Concretguy is. I will be doing this at Anasci in the near future. It will have regular pics of what's taking place and a complete brake down of how it's happening. This should also answer the age old question about if " old heads" can grow new muscle.
Not sure if I'm even going to use Lantus because of all the shit I received. I promise you this, the progression pics I post will be nothing for anyone to laugh at. Noone.

 

[Beti ona]

This makes no sense. It takes DNP ~1 week to reach peak concentration so why would you drop it once it finally reaches its apex only to start over again.

Although what you say is reasonable I like to use it that way. One week increase cardio and retouch the diet, and the next week I use DNP.

I have done cycles for 2 weeks, but I like the protocol described above.

 

[ALLEX]

I am 6' 4" 185lb

You need food, buddy.

Maybe add 300-400mg test and that's it. Lots of rest if you can.

 

[little slice]

OP is 6'4, 185... at 10-11% bodyfat



and of course, people tend to be rather generous to themselves when estimating their own bf.



in other words.. OP looks like your average skinny fat software engineer.. and he's talking about insulin + dnp for gaining size.



anyways, I've tried the technique


the insulin kept me from losing fat, and the DNP made me too tired to train heavy and hard enough to gain lean mass.


pointless IMO

 

[Strongman37]

Hey friend, I wrote my opinion on using Lantus insulin and was literally drug through the dirt and called out on it for not posting pics of me doing it. I doubt I will ever comment on insulin use again. I then posted before and after pics and was attacked again. I literally had a few members post pics of the worst I have ever looked on stage and proclaim me to be washed up and a loser. They said because I'm under 200lbs my words carry no merit. This all for just trying to help a few guys that may be wondering what the hell is going on with some of these BBers getting so huge.

I appreciate your comment and thank you for it.

As a direct result of being called out in this manor I will be holding a log and showing anyone who wants to travel this path with me how washed up Concretguy is. I will be doing this at Anasci in the near future. It will have regular pics of what's taking place and a complete brake down of how it's happening. This should also answer the age old question about if " old heads" can grow new muscle.
Not sure if I'm even going to use Lantus because of all the shit I received. I promise you this, the progression pics I post will be nothing for anyone to laugh at. Noone.

I am sorry you were treated that way experience is something thats invaulable at least to me ive seen your pics i know guys half your age that would kill for what you acomplished. anytime i see a post from you i pay attention to what you have to say. Good luck

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[b-boy]

Fucking WOW at this retarded thread!!!!!

 

[JITB]

Did you read my post? I copied and pasted this so anyone wondering what he's talking about would better understand it. Those aren't my words.

i do believe Jason Mueller wrote it (way) back in the day. Anabolic Extreme?

 

[ALLEX]

i do believe Jason Mueller wrote it (way) back in the day. Anabolic Extreme?

Early 2000's?

 

[Wisco2]

Hey friend, I wrote my opinion on using Lantus insulin and was literally drug through the dirt and called out on it for not posting pics of me doing it. I doubt I will ever comment on insulin use again. I then posted before and after pics and was attacked again. I literally had a few members post pics of the worst I have ever looked on stage and proclaim me to be washed up and a loser. They said because I'm under 200lbs my words carry no merit. This all for just trying to help a few guys that may be wondering what the hell is going on with some of these BBers getting so huge.

I appreciate your comment and thank you for it.

As a direct result of being called out in this manor I will be holding a log and showing anyone who wants to travel this path with me how washed up Concretguy is. I will be doing this at Anasci in the near future. It will have regular pics of what's taking place and a complete brake down of how it's happening. This should also answer the age old question about if " old heads" can grow new muscle.
Not sure if I'm even going to use Lantus because of all the shit I received. I promise you this, the progression pics I post will be nothing for anyone to laugh at. Noone.

Haters gonna hate, i say f*#k the haters and keep posting great info, have learned a great deal from you and many others here. If guys don't like what you say they dont have to do it or listen. Dont change what you have been doing, hope when I'm your age i will look half as good

 

[ALLEX]

Not sure if I'm even going to use Lantus because of all the shit I received.

IMO it should be exactly the opposite. If you really believe in it, simply prove everyone wrong.

 

[concreteguy]

Seriously?????? Did either of you read the first line of my post? "copy and paste". In no way am I trying to take credit for that information I posted.

 

[tren_plz]

It doesnt work like you think its going to. You're thinking the insulin is going to 'balance' you out and youll be able to get a pump and lift. Nope. No chance. Ive done low dose slin 5iu 50g carbs intra with 250-500mg dnp. Nothing stops dnp. There is no faking dnp. The only time id recommend carbs is at the end of a dnp run and eat 2-3 big bowls of cereal at night pre bed and youll turn into a furnace then drop it and recomp into a solid diet slowly.

You're going to feel like shit regardless. Either go keto or just protein/veg and suffer or just dont do it at all.

 

[Beti ona]

That protocol sounds good in the theory, but in practice you are working with 2 contradictory objectives.