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DNP VS SLU,RETA,MOT-C

just waiting for the studies tbh

Here is one showing it reverses fatty liver disease.

Reversal of hypertriglyceridemia, fatty liver disease, and insulin resistance by a liver-targeted mitochondrial uncoupler​

Rachel J Perry 1, Taehan Kim, Xian-Man Zhang, Hui-Young Lee, Dominik Pesta, Violeta B Popov, Dongyan Zhang, Yasmeen Rahimi, Michael J Jurczak, Gary W Cline, David A Spiegel, Gerald I Shulman
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Abstract​

Nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) affects one in three Americans and is a major predisposing condition for the metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes (T2D). We examined whether a functionally liver-targeted derivative of 2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP), DNP-methyl ether (DNPME), could safely decrease hypertriglyceridemia, NAFLD, and insulin resistance without systemic toxicities. Treatment with DNPME reversed hypertriglyceridemia, fatty liver, and whole-body insulin resistance in high-fat-fed rats and decreased hyperglycemia in a rat model of T2D with a wide therapeutic index. The reversal of liver and muscle insulin resistance was associated with reductions in tissue diacylglycerol content and reductions in protein kinase C epsilon (PKCε) and PKCθ activity in liver and muscle, respectively. These results demonstrate that the beneficial effects of DNP on hypertriglyceridemia, fatty liver, and insulin resistance can be dissociated from systemic toxicities and suggest the potential utility of liver-targeted mitochondrial uncoupling agents for the treatment of hypertriglyceridemia, NAFLD, metabolic syndrome, and T2D.
 
Here is one showing it reverses fatty liver disease.

Reversal of hypertriglyceridemia, fatty liver disease, and insulin resistance by a liver-targeted mitochondrial uncoupler​

Rachel J Perry 1, Taehan Kim, Xian-Man Zhang, Hui-Young Lee, Dominik Pesta, Violeta B Popov, Dongyan Zhang, Yasmeen Rahimi, Michael J Jurczak, Gary W Cline, David A Spiegel, Gerald I Shulman
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Abstract​

Nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) affects one in three Americans and is a major predisposing condition for the metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes (T2D). We examined whether a functionally liver-targeted derivative of 2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP), DNP-methyl ether (DNPME), could safely decrease hypertriglyceridemia, NAFLD, and insulin resistance without systemic toxicities. Treatment with DNPME reversed hypertriglyceridemia, fatty liver, and whole-body insulin resistance in high-fat-fed rats and decreased hyperglycemia in a rat model of T2D with a wide therapeutic index. The reversal of liver and muscle insulin resistance was associated with reductions in tissue diacylglycerol content and reductions in protein kinase C epsilon (PKCε) and PKCθ activity in liver and muscle, respectively. These results demonstrate that the beneficial effects of DNP on hypertriglyceridemia, fatty liver, and insulin resistance can be dissociated from systemic toxicities and suggest the potential utility of liver-targeted mitochondrial uncoupling agents for the treatment of hypertriglyceridemia, NAFLD, metabolic syndrome, and T2D.

ty Bro I wanna see the study that says dnp destroys your liver like what happened to that other guy
 
They are different drugs that do different things. I have sold reta but I haven't used it yet. I am interested in trying it though as it sounds great. After I use it I can comment on it properly. Although why does reta make DNP useless when they are totally different things. Do people think Reta is a safer way of losing body fat. Even if that was the case they can be used in totally different ways. Me personally I diet for short periods so I prefer the idea of DNP. I also use 200-300mg daily so I get no side effects from it apart from some very minor heat. Most of the blood work I have seen from people on DNP showed improved markers (liver, cholesterol etc) post usage but I suspect that is more a byproduct of losing bodyweight/fat than the compound itself.

One thing I struggle with is stomach distention so the likes of reta can delay gastric emptying which could be a good or bad thing depending on the person. I have noticed a few guys who have used reta struggle with their waists even though it improves insulin sensitivity. I am not stating it was definitely the reta but I have seen the same with sema and tirze so it's a valid concern. If you are digesting your food like clockwork with no bloating or digestive issues on the GLP-1 drugs then it's a non issue. I had some digestive issues when I briefly experimented with tirze. People I know have had minor-major digestive issues with the GLP-1 drugs. Like anything the dose is the main factor and if you low dose these peps it should be fine. The same for DNP though and the amount of people who say they felt like shit on DNP then you find out they high dosed it from day 1. DNP melts fat from my body so it will always be an option for me. Although I am never fat so I don't use "fatburners" often and usually for a few weeks per year.

If I were a fat person needing to lose loads of weight over a long period of time I would imagine GLP-1 drugs would be far superior. If I were a bodybuilder wanting to do a mini cut or lose some fat over a short period of time I imagine DNP would be superior. Everyone is different though and you should experiment and see what you prefer out of everything available. There are pro's and con's for everything listed.
 
ty Bro I wanna see the study that says dnp destroys your liver like what happened to that other guy

Maybe if he was snorting it like Tony Montana in Scarface it could do that.
 
ty Bro I wanna see the study that says dnp destroys your liver like what happened to that other guy
This may be the rat study he was referring to:


"Severe liver injury occurred after 2,4-DNP indicated by liver inflammatory cell infiltrations and pyknotic hepatocytes progressing as the dose increased to massive degenerative changes, fibrosis and ultimately focal coagulative necrosis. There were also increased liver collagen and mucopolysaccharide contents. In addition, 2,4-DNP caused marked increments in cleaved caspase-3 expression in the liver.

These results showed that high doses of the weight reducing agent 2,4- DNP can inflict serious liver injury as a consequence of uncoupling of oxidative phosphorylation and depletion of energy stores."

Oh, and please note the doses these rats were subjected to:

"Rats received intra peritoneal injections of 2,4-DNP (10, 40, 80, and 160 mg/kg)"

Side note about the "supposed" jaundice - from looking at some at some very old case studies (~1930's) they note yellowing of the skin/sweating yellow as an effect of the drug's color and was mistaken for jaundice.

From another oldie but a goodie:

"LIVER DAMAGE
Much has been made by some editorial writers and clinical reporters of the possibility that dinitrophenol might damage the liver. This has been based mainly on reasoning by analogy frompicric acid and other compounds. Since the dinitrophenol has a yellow color, which imparts an icteric tint to the blood plasma, it may be mistaken for the bile pigments of jaundice. The differentiation from the latter may be readily made by adding dilute hydrochloric acid to the plasma which decolorizes the dye. In one patient suspected of liver injury, Rabinowitch "found only a slight increase in the bilirubin in the blood and no change in the urobilinogen. At the next examination of this patient, the findings were all negative."

"We have seen no evidences of damage to the liver in our clinical cases, and at this time we may add more extensive data on this question."
 
One other interesting snippet from the last study above was them mentioning the first fatal case reported was a physician who took a mega dose twice, when trying to treat an "imaginary syphilitic infection". The second time he took a 5 GRAM dose and keeled over 12 hours later.
 
They are different drugs that do different things. I have sold reta but I haven't used it yet. I am interested in trying it though as it sounds great. After I use it I can comment on it properly. Although why does reta make DNP useless when they are totally different things. Do people think Reta is a safer way of losing body fat. Even if that was the case they can be used in totally different ways. Me personally I diet for short periods so I prefer the idea of DNP. I also use 200-300mg daily so I get no side effects from it apart from some very minor heat. Most of the blood work I have seen from people on DNP showed improved markers (liver, cholesterol etc) post usage but I suspect that is more a byproduct of losing bodyweight/fat than the compound itself.

One thing I struggle with is stomach distention so the likes of reta can delay gastric emptying which could be a good or bad thing depending on the person. I have noticed a few guys who have used reta struggle with their waists even though it improves insulin sensitivity. I am not stating it was definitely the reta but I have seen the same with sema and tirze so it's a valid concern. If you are digesting your food like clockwork with no bloating or digestive issues on the GLP-1 drugs then it's a non issue. I had some digestive issues when I briefly experimented with tirze. People I know have had minor-major digestive issues with the GLP-1 drugs. Like anything the dose is the main factor and if you low dose these peps it should be fine. The same for DNP though and the amount of people who say they felt like shit on DNP then you find out they high dosed it from day 1. DNP melts fat from my body so it will always be an option for me. Although I am never fat so I don't use "fatburners" often and usually for a few weeks per year.

If I were a fat person needing to lose loads of weight over a long period of time I would imagine GLP-1 drugs would be far superior. If I were a bodybuilder wanting to do a mini cut or lose some fat over a short period of time I imagine DNP would be superior. Everyone is different though and you should experiment and see what you prefer out of everything available. There are pro's and con's for everything listed.
I really see why people have to lie about doses and experiences on here cause they'll get attacked. Again I added the dnp trying to do a mini cut. The first time I thought it was superdrol. I tried it a second and it messed up my liver. I was doing just fine until dnp was added. It happened to me. Currently I'm running orals and liver values are fine.
 

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This may be the rat study he was referring to:


"Severe liver injury occurred after 2,4-DNP indicated by liver inflammatory cell infiltrations and pyknotic hepatocytes progressing as the dose increased to massive degenerative changes, fibrosis and ultimately focal coagulative necrosis. There were also increased liver collagen and mucopolysaccharide contents. In addition, 2,4-DNP caused marked increments in cleaved caspase-3 expression in the liver.

These results showed that high doses of the weight reducing agent 2,4- DNP can inflict serious liver injury as a consequence of uncoupling of oxidative phosphorylation and depletion of energy stores."

Oh, and please note the doses these rats were subjected to:

"Rats received intra peritoneal injections of 2,4-DNP (10, 40, 80, and 160 mg/kg)"

Side note about the "supposed" jaundice - from looking at some at some very old case studies (~1930's) they note yellowing of the skin/sweating yellow as an effect of the drug's color and was mistaken for jaundice.

From another oldie but a goodie:

"LIVER DAMAGE
Much has been made by some editorial writers and clinical reporters of the possibility that dinitrophenol might damage the liver. This has been based mainly on reasoning by analogy frompicric acid and other compounds. Since the dinitrophenol has a yellow color, which imparts an icteric tint to the blood plasma, it may be mistaken for the bile pigments of jaundice. The differentiation from the latter may be readily made by adding dilute hydrochloric acid to the plasma which decolorizes the dye. In one patient suspected of liver injury, Rabinowitch "found only a slight increase in the bilirubin in the blood and no change in the urobilinogen. At the next examination of this patient, the findings were all negative."

"We have seen no evidences of damage to the liver in our clinical cases, and at this time we may add more extensive data on this question."
I was jaundice in the hospital. I was so itchy from elevated bilirubin
 
I really see why people have to lie about doses and experiences on here cause they'll get attacked. Again I added the dnp trying to do a mini cut. The first time I thought it was superdrol. I tried it a second and it messed up my liver. I was doing just fine until dnp was added. It happened to me. Currently I'm running orals and liver values are fine.

Don't take it personally. It's just a very different reaction but could be your physiology and/or your supply had something wrong with it. Either way, sounds horrendous and I'd certainly not try it again on my body.

I pulled some labs I did while on DNP last 12-18 months and towards the end of short runs (2 weeks). Somewhere around 375mg daily. Was also cruising on test/deca 200/200 where I'm never elevated and usually mid 20s on both. The below are close so either same or fractionally better. With oral AAS I'm usually higher end of range or maybe one is a few pts out at worst.

AST/ALT 21/23
AST/ALT 19/22
 
Don't take it personally. It's just a very different reaction but could be your physiology and/or your supply had something wrong with it. Either way, sounds horrendous and I'd certainly not try it again on my body.

I pulled some labs I did while on DNP last 12-18 months and towards the end of short runs (2 weeks). Somewhere around 375mg daily. Was also cruising on test/deca 200/200 where I'm never elevated and usually mid 20s on both. The below are close so either same or fractionally better. With oral AAS I'm usually higher end of range or maybe one is a few pts out at worst.

AST/ALT 21/23
AST/ALT 19/22
Thank you, i just told my experience and everyone came out to tell me it didn't happen. Two different sources of dnp and same reaction. The 2nd batch came in 200mg cap i believe. I was taking one a day or EOD? I just know forsure that my body doesn't react well to dnp. I don't have copies of any of my labs from 2022 or 2018.
 

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I really see why people have to lie about doses and experiences on here cause they'll get attacked. Again I added the dnp trying to do a mini cut. The first time I thought it was superdrol. I tried it a second and it messed up my liver. I was doing just fine until dnp was added. It happened to me. Currently I'm running orals and liver values are fine.
Geeze man. If my eyes were that color and I had jaundice and liver failure—I’d probably reevaluate my decisions and just forget orals and DNP all together.

Also how do you mistake DNP for superdrol? You didn’t notice anything weird after the first week and just kept running it thinking it was normal?

Maybe gear isn’t for you man
 
Geeze man. If my eyes were that color and I had jaundice and liver failure—I’d probably reevaluate my decisions and just forget orals and DNP all together.

Also how do you mistake DNP for superdrol? You didn’t notice anything weird after the first week and just kept running it thinking it was normal?

Maybe gear isn’t for you man
2018, Superdrol made me lethargic all the time. I was pushing food and went for a mini cut. Lost the some weight and one day wife says my eyes were yellow. I stopped dnp and orals but still became jaundice.

2022 pushing size again went for mini cut, decided to try dnp again since everyone kept saying that dnp is safe and hazards are over blown. Lost some weight, foot started itching randomly. Stopped everything, still became jaundice.

I ran 3 grams injectables plus orals this summer. I was fine, no elevation, bp was good, sleep was great. Took August and September to cruse. Did 150mg anadrol October. Mini cut in November with some semaglutide. Again nothing is wrong. It was the dnp
 
Geeze man. If my eyes were that color and I had jaundice and liver failure—I’d probably reevaluate my decisions and just forget orals and DNP all together.

Also how do you mistake DNP for superdrol? You didn’t notice anything weird after the first week and just kept running it thinking it was normal?

Maybe gear isn’t for you man
2023, I had a liver biopsy and ultrasound, liver looked good. No masses, no clots, no nothing. I eat same stuff everyday. Hardly ever drink, get my steps in, fasted glucose is under 80. Bp usually 120s/70s.
 
2018, Superdrol made me lethargic all the time. I was pushing food and went for a mini cut. Lost the some weight and one day wife says my eyes were yellow. I stopped dnp and orals but still became jaundice.

2022 pushing size again went for mini cut, decided to try dnp again since everyone kept saying that dnp is safe and hazards are over blown. Lost some weight, foot started itching randomly. Stopped everything, still became jaundice.

I ran 3 grams injectables plus orals this summer. I was fine, no elevation, bp was good, sleep was great. Took August and September to cruse. Did 150mg anadrol October. Mini cut in November with some semaglutide. Again nothing is wrong. It was the dnp
Yeah I hear you man, not bashing at all.

Just seen a lot of people go down that road and ignore the health signs and it never ends well when they keep pushing the limits thinking next time will be different.

I’ve never seen someone’s eyes that yellow, factor in the liver failure event (I do believe you’re telling the truth after that picture). I would just rethink the approach is all. That would be a wake up call for a lot of people

I don’t even think orals are needed unless you’re in prep. Run some test and gh, maybe another second compound of your preference, and if you’re diet and training are locked in you should mutate. 3g gear +
Orals is like IFBB pro, 280-300lbs lean level doses. Just not needed, especially after what you went through
 
Yeah I hear you man, not bashing at all.

Just seen a lot of people go down that road and ignore the health signs and it never ends well when they keep pushing the limits thinking next time will be different.

I’ve never seen someone’s eyes that yellow, factor in the liver failure event (I do believe you’re telling the truth after that picture). I would just rethink the approach is all. That would be a wake up call for a lot of people

I don’t even think orals are needed unless you’re in prep. Run some test and gh, maybe another second compound of your preference, and if you’re diet and training are locked in you should mutate. 3g gear +
Orals is like IFBB pro, 280-300lbs lean level doses. Just not needed, especially after what you went through
You're preaching to the choir here man. I stay on top of my markers and take precautions. This was all dnp nothing else. I asked you about the gh connection the other day remember. Planning on high test with insulin and gh. Go post your 750 test cycle on tiktok and see how many people call you dumb. All of this is extreme. We're not doing this to be healthy. We just weight the risks and benefits, hope for the best
 
Hey @acam4 sorry you had to go through that! I would suggest you don't try to prove anything, just share what you know and believe and everyone can decide for them selves! Stay safe!
 
Has anyone found a solution to the lumping with Mots-c? I’ve tried adding more bac water and making it a Lower mg/ml concentration, lowering the dose.

Just seems to leave a decent sized red lump for a bit. Sometimes a few hours. Might even persist the next day.

I like what the compound itself does but the lumping is becoming incredibly annoying, even to the point of being off being off putting
 
Has anyone found a solution to the lumping with Mots-c? I’ve tried adding more bac water and making it a Lower mg/ml concentration, lowering the dose.

Just seems to leave a decent sized red lump for a bit. Sometimes a few hours. Might even persist the next day.

I like what the compound itself does but the lumping is becoming incredibly annoying, even to the point of being off being off putting
Where are you pinning , sounds odd but on my stomach gave me a red itchy lump , I pin my pelvis and inner thigh skin and nothing ... sometimes slight itch but rarely
 

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