In my experience this depends on age, how you’re body reacts to certain drugs, and of course the diet. I’ve been using AAS over 30 years and at 51 for me it’s 800mg primo and 500mgs test along with gh. I used to go higher with the test and run tren as well and was able to stay fairly lean but now my body just can’t take it. My body also can’t tolerate high carbs like it used to do who knows. If I had it to do over I’d run 1000mgs test avd 1000mg primo per week with Anavar and gh and stay away from the tren. Assuming you get your hands on legit primo and gh- that’s gonna give you solid size with little bf.