do natural test levels get permanently affected with the use of steroids ?

[Bandid0]

Do you think steroids cause long term testosterone lowering?

Yes ? No ? It may depend on the dosage ? the steroids used ? the number of cycles done ? The age of the user ?

Cheers

 

[Dens228]

Correct on all the points above.
And on the user as well.

 

[Creation]

theres so many variables, however i think that the amount of time spent on AAS and genetics play the biggest roles

but with more knowledge in Ancillaries atleast there are more options to jump start production HCG, HMG etc.

 

[Stewie]

theres so many variables, however i think that the amount of time spent on AAS and genetics play the biggest roles

but with more knowledge in Ancillaries atleast there are more options to jump start production HCG, HMG etc.[/QUOTE

Pretty much What I was going to say, agreed.
Good call

 

[Achilles-reborn]

Yes

They will be affected and it's harder for some more than others and can be very disconforting waiting on them to re bound. Unfortunatly I know from experience and bloodwork.:banghead:

Also this should probably be in the begginers Forum

 

[bigoso]

ABSOLUTELY YES

 

[Kaladryn]

Yes, for sure. You will never come back to 100% of your natural level after touching AAS imo. The only exception would be if your natural levels before starting AAS are being suppressed by something (eating too little, over training, etc).

This to me is one of the main things about AAS people are in denial about, and this is why the decision to starting using AAS should not be taken lightly.

 

[dece870717]

I'm wondering if this drug could overcome this problem...

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...n-completely-restores-endocrine-function.html

 

[TNH]

We'll never know.

Generally AAS users all stay on too long/cycle too much, and don't take enough time off to really let their HPTA recover. I'd bet that if a guy did two cycles in his life, and never touched it again.... he'd be at pre cycle test levels eventually.

Most guys that say AAS killed their test production have been on so damn long, who's to say it wasn't just old age taking its toll? If you've been cycling since age 30, stop at 40, and get checked after 6 months of being off, of course test levels are going to be way lower than before you started using AAS.

Also, I don't know what this is all about, but in my personal experience, it seems that bodybuilders freak out about this stuff way more than powerlifters. I wonder if it's the stress that is killing natural test, haha. So many powerlifters stay on huge doses for so long, then stop and have no issues. I don't know why I see so many BB'ers with HPTA problems.

 

[Emery]

It depends on what age you are and many other factors. I went to a pharmacology workshop today and found out that opioid use causes testosterone levels to decline... Very interesting research with science to back it up. Of course, if you're on cycle, this probably won't affect you!
The presenter was a very intelligent PhD that specialized in pain management.

So... many factors affect ones test levels and return to normal levels afterwards...

 

[btech]

Three years ago at age 24 I did a Phera / Superdrol bridge cycle . . was on for about 2 months. A dumbass mistake on my part. Won't use again until I need it as an old man. I never "felt" shut down or anything, but who knows . . I never had any bloodwork done or anything.

 

[Papa Van Smack]

Yes, well, it affected me. Big time. Even bloodwork said my test levels were in the mid-normal range, but I wonder if after being SO saturated before, if the receptors aren't as sensitive to normal test levels as they had once been. Either way, I noticed a very big difference.

 

[ssdark1]

yes. but imo it is the least of your worries if you choose to use aas....your levels will decline regardless of what you do. i think it is only really a concern for guys who think they like this lifestyle, but they do a couple cycles when they are younger trying to get laid or whatever then move on to a life of lazy fatness and they regret their choices due to the lasting effects on their test levels. but for most of the guys here who are in this game for the long run....who cares? even if you do completely recover....you will probably continue to cycle only to suppress your hpta all over again.

just my opinion

 

[jrod]

Hell otc shit shut me down to the point of having to be on hrt for life so yes aas will permantly lower test if i would have known then what i know now i would have just been using gear by the way im only 27 and my test levels were only in the low 200's

 

[btech]

Hell otc shit shut me down to the point of having to be on hrt for life so yes aas will permantly lower test if i would have known then what i know now i would have just been using gear by the way im only 27 and my test levels were only in the low 200's

Very sorry to hear Jrod . . what's your cycle history? . . For educational purposes for anyone who's reading.

 

[Mad-Bull]

Yes, for sure. You will never come back to 100% of your natural level after touching AAS imo. The only exception would be if your natural levels before starting AAS are being suppressed by something (eating too little, over training, etc).

This to me is one of the main things about AAS people are in denial about, and this is why the decision to starting using AAS should not be taken lightly.

This exactly, IMO even say a small 500mg Test E a week for 12 weeks is going to screw with your endocrine system at least somewhat permanently

 

[jrod]

Before hrt i used tribulas,19-norandrostendione,dhea,and a pro horomone called finaflex 550xd im pretty sure it was the fina that fucked me up because out of the rest of them it is the only one that killed my sexdrive now im on 200mg of test cyp a week unless im on then its usually test c 500 eq 600 and some d bol or winstrol from time to time

 

[btech]

Before hrt i used tribulas,19-norandrostendione,dhea,and a pro horomone called finaflex 550xd im pretty sure it was the fina that fucked me up because out of the rest of them it is the only one that killed my sexdrive now im on 200mg of test cyp a week unless im on then its usually test c 500 eq 600 and some d bol or winstrol from time to time

How many cycles have you done? And, does DHEA really permanently affect natural test levels? Pardon me if these are personal questions, I am curious, as I feel bad about your situation.

 

[jrod]

Aas 5 cycles the finaflex 2 times for 8 wks each all the other crap there honestly is no telling alot though i started taking it in highschool because i seen pro bb in their adds saying they used it not sure about the dhea but i have read that in high doeses over 100mg a day it can and dont worry about the? 's maybe i can keep others from making the same mistakes i made

 

[maldorf]

After about 10 years of usage and a heart attack, I am on HRT for life now. It absolutely wrecked my test levels for life, among other things.