Doctor gave me cardio scare

[NEMSZ]

That's awesome you have a good team in your corner.

Out of curiosity, did the sports cardiologist tell you up to how much testosterone and GH he would feel comfortable you using?

We didn’t get too specific into that, I did tell him my dosages (500mg and 3-4iu) and mentioned the studies done for like 20+ weeks at 600mg being pretty safe, and how I planned on doing things very moderately for only a few months at a time then coming down to true TRT and monitoring my bloods and blood pressure and doing my cardio etc etc..

He literally didn’t bat an eye. Was pretty much like,

“cool man, you seem to know what to look for and how to monitor yourself, I have no problem with that at all, it’s when you push to extremes for too long that you start to see big problems come up”

I wanted to gauge his reaction to something moderate, which to me, signals if he had no problem with that, I can’t imagine he’d think I was signing a death wish if I was to do say 750mg-1g of Test and 6-8iu of GH for a period of time as safely as possible..

He did say he did not recommend any other anabolics (not like he could or should be recommending AAS to people ) because of their ability to cause premature CVD in a lot of cases he’s seen (who knows the duration, dosages and compounds used in what he’s seen though and their lifestyle )..

Either way, for myself, I think that 1g mark and 6-8iu of GH is the most I’d be willing to push myself to for reaching my goals, only thing I’d probably think about adding is Primo, not on top of the 1g but to make it 1g total, so maybe like 500-600mg Test and 400-500mg Primo or something like that since it’s so mild and of course, would still monitor myself thoroughly, anything is off I have no problem stopping immediately.

But I can’t imagine if everything is in optimal range, or at least in good range, that the compound being used would matter much..

I will ask him though to elaborate a little more on that when I go see him again in a couple weeks for the CTA.. Maybe he’s more open minded and has more information to share than most..

I just didn’t want to press too hard and give him the vibe of being some AAS addict that just wants an excuse to abuse PEDs etc.. Not like I look like someone who abuses them anyway

 

[bbxtreme]

We didn’t get too specific into that, I did tell him my dosages (500mg and 3-4iu) and mentioned the studies done for like 20+ weeks at 600mg being pretty safe, and how I planned on doing things very moderately for only a few months at a time then coming down to true TRT and monitoring my bloods and blood pressure and doing my cardio etc etc..

He literally didn’t bat an eye. Was pretty much like,

“cool man, you seem to know what to look for and how to monitor yourself, I have no problem with that at all, it’s when you push to extremes for too long that you start to see big problems come up”

I wanted to gauge his reaction to something moderate, which to me, signals if he had no problem with that, I can’t imagine he’d think I was signing a death wish if I was to do say 750mg-1g of Test and 6-8iu of GH for a period of time as safely as possible..

He did say he did not recommend any other anabolics (not like he could or should be recommending AAS to people ) because of their ability to cause premature CVD in a lot of cases he’s seen (who knows the duration, dosages and compounds used in what he’s seen though and their lifestyle )..

Either way, for myself, I think that 1g mark and 6-8iu of GH is the most I’d be willing to push myself to for reaching my goals, only thing I’d probably think about adding is Primo, not on top of the 1g but to make it 1g total, so maybe like 500-600mg Test and 400-500mg Primo or something like that since it’s so mild and of course, would still monitor myself thoroughly, anything is off I have no problem stopping immediately.

But I can’t imagine if everything is in optimal range, or at least in good range, that the compound being used would matter much..

I will ask him though to elaborate a little more on that when I go see him again in a couple weeks for the CTA.. Maybe he’s more open minded and has more information to share than most..

I just didn’t want to press too hard and give him the vibe of being some AAS addict that just wants an excuse to abuse PEDs etc.. Not like I look like someone who abuses them anyway

It sounds like you have a good and open minded cardiologist. I would just strongly suggest locking in life insurance and be aware of your health insurance cost before you keep the discussion going.

I would get a copy of your visit notes and read what he wrote. It may change your mind on how cool he seems. I’m not encouraging you or anyone to downplay your medical case/issues, but just like to play devils advocate and ensure everyone is aware of what is associated with those decisions.

 

[td]

It sounds like you have a good and open minded cardiologist. I would just strongly suggest locking in life insurance and be aware of your health insurance cost before you keep the discussion going.

I would get a copy of your visit notes and read what he wrote. It may change your mind on how cool he seems. I’m not encouraging you or anyone to downplay your medical case/issues, but just like to play devils advocate and ensure everyone is aware of what is associated with those decisions.

Can you ask for the notes? I so rarely see a doctor... I just didn't know that was an option.

 

[bbxtreme]

Can you ask for the notes? I so rarely see a doctor... I just didn't know that was an option.

as it’s your medical records and I highly reccomend it. There should be a visit summary and then doctors notes where they recap the visit, events and discussion. I can’t tell you how many times I have seen the notes not be an accurate reflection of what the patient “thought” was discussed.

The doctor and patient can very easily walk away from a discussion with two different perspectives. The notes cover their liability, but they dictate your future care and the cost of it.

 

[KingOfSushi]

That tracked people that ran marathons throughout their lives and lived 3-4 months longer then average.

Only 3-4 month off for not having to run marathons throughout my life? Easiest trade I’ve ever made damn! Lol

Jokes aside, definitely cool to see how even regular folks that make a point to do SOMETHING fitness related within their life are generally living longer. Not surprising of course, but always interesting to see the data.

 

[Flex500]

We didn’t get too specific into that, I did tell him my dosages (500mg and 3-4iu) and mentioned the studies done for like 20+ weeks at 600mg being pretty safe, and how I planned on doing things very moderately for only a few months at a time then coming down to true TRT and monitoring my bloods and blood pressure and doing my cardio etc etc..

He literally didn’t bat an eye. Was pretty much like,

“cool man, you seem to know what to look for and how to monitor yourself, I have no problem with that at all, it’s when you push to extremes for too long that you start to see big problems come up”

I wanted to gauge his reaction to something moderate, which to me, signals if he had no problem with that, I can’t imagine he’d think I was signing a death wish if I was to do say 750mg-1g of Test and 6-8iu of GH for a period of time as safely as possible..

He did say he did not recommend any other anabolics (not like he could or should be recommending AAS to people ) because of their ability to cause premature CVD in a lot of cases he’s seen (who knows the duration, dosages and compounds used in what he’s seen though and their lifestyle )..

Either way, for myself, I think that 1g mark and 6-8iu of GH is the most I’d be willing to push myself to for reaching my goals, only thing I’d probably think about adding is Primo, not on top of the 1g but to make it 1g total, so maybe like 500-600mg Test and 400-500mg Primo or something like that since it’s so mild and of course, would still monitor myself thoroughly, anything is off I have no problem stopping immediately.

But I can’t imagine if everything is in optimal range, or at least in good range, that the compound being used would matter much..

I will ask him though to elaborate a little more on that when I go see him again in a couple weeks for the CTA.. Maybe he’s more open minded and has more information to share than most..

I just didn’t want to press too hard and give him the vibe of being some AAS addict that just wants an excuse to abuse PEDs etc.. Not like I look like someone who abuses them anyway

The best man in my wedding and a friend for over 30 years is a cardiologist and he says similar. His direct quote to me was "I don't know a lot about other anabolic drugs and ped's and I'd completely avoid them, but I do know any normal adult male that is generally healthy and takes care of their body should be able to theoretically tolerate a fairly large amount of testosterone and growth hormone". I know he isn't thinking grams on grams and 10 iu's of gh but his sentiment is similar to what you got.

 

[Flex500]

as it’s your medical records and I highly reccomend it. There should be a visit summary and then doctors notes where they recap the visit, events and discussion. I can’t tell you how many times I have seen the notes not be an accurate reflection of what the patient “thought” was discussed.

The doctor and patient can very easily walk away from a discussion with two different perspectives. The notes cover their liability, but they dictate your future care and the cost of it.

100%. In fact when the laws changed they now must provide medical records to your online portal as soon as they are available. That is why now anytime you get a test they tell you "look you will see your results before I have a chance to call you so if you want a call first, don't login to your portal as it can be confusing".

 

[marssel]

So I had a diagnostic CT done for my lungs, which actually revealed a bit of plaque on my heart- calcifications score of 3. Lungs all good.

So went to a cardiologist to learn more about it, what to do/expect etc. No surprises there, since I’ve got diet, weight, exercise and lifestyle dialed in. But after asking me a few questions, he comes back and tells me I have a slight to moderate risk (around 6%) of having a CV event in the next ten years, and I should consider maybe starting a statin. What the fuck…

Mind you, I drink zero alcohol, lipids and kidney function are fucking perfect, quit smoking almost 20 years ago, no diabetes and fully controlled BP- and there is zero history of cardiovascular issues on either side of my family. Then he says he estimates my heart age at 61 (I’m 53)!

I’m like wtf. Flabbergasted.

On my way home, call my best friend who’s a surgeon and he goes “what? How did he arrive at that score?” Then he pauses. “Did they ask your BMI?”

I’m like , “yeah it’s 29.”

“Dude. That’s not going to work. That puts you as overweight and 1 point away from being obese.”

Recalculated score, 2.7%. Good to go!
That fucker almost gave me a heart attack.

Sharing so that maybe one of y’all don’t get an annoying surprise if this happens to you.

Btw calcification score is 3- out of 400. still some but at age 53, I’ll take it.

Just uneducated lazy docs using pharma company charts to get you on worthless horribly overprescribed statins.

 

[marssel]

100%. In fact when the laws changed they now must provide medical records to your online portal as soon as they are available. That is why now anytime you get a test they tell you "look you will see your results before I have a chance to call you so if you want a call first, don't login to your portal as it can be confusing".

Yea they don’t want the educated to understand their own health. I’ve been asked where I attended medical school by several docs in different convos especially during my cancer treatment last year and I didn’t use any terminology that a high school kid couldn’t learn on his own with basic research. They want us stupid and unable to catch them fucking up.

 

[Bio]

I have seen the studies where they have higher calcification when they get into their 60's as BP is high for all the time they are doing aerobics that seems to be at least 1 factor.
I have also seen numerous studies showing intense aerobics to not be helpful with long term cardiac health.
Seems moderate is best for longevity.
And even lifting weights can lead to the same positive effects from data i have seen.
I did see a study in the early 80's in Runners world magazine. That tracked people that ran marathons throughout their lives and lived 3-4 months longer then average.
Can't say i have seen to many very old people that have done aerobics through out their lives. And running started to be very popular back in the 60's.

I would say that people who exercise, whether it's weights, running, etc., have a better quality of life regardless of life span. My uncle turned 87 a couple of days ago and he looks 67, if not younger. He did martial arts, walks daily, and he's lifted weights most of his life and still does. I followed in his footsteps. I don't recall many 87 year old people that look, sound, or act like him! I have a friend who will be 82 this year, and he still does an hour on the stair stepper....he's an animal!! He also works out. He's actually skiing right now. He travels and lives life! The gym truly is the fountain of youth!!

 

[buck]

I would say that people who exercise, whether it's weights, running, etc., have a better quality of life regardless of life span. My uncle turned 87 a couple of days ago and he looks 67, if not younger. He did martial arts, walks daily, and he's lifted weights most of his life and still does. I followed in his footsteps. I don't recall many 87 year old people that look, sound, or act like him! I have a friend who will be 82 this year, and he still does an hour on the stair stepper....he's an animal!! He also works out. He's actually skiing right now. He travels and lives life! The gym truly is the fountain of youth!!

Good for your uncle. I tend to agree with what you wrote. But i think avoiding things that are damaging like drinking, smoking, being big, gaining weight etc. Is the best thing a person can do. If they want to live a long time. I have an uncle that is 97 never worked out a day in his life. Is religious so he was very moderate at most in all things other then running a chain of banks. And still goes about his life.

Only 3-4 month off for not having to run marathons throughout my life? Easiest trade I’ve ever made damn! Lol

Jokes aside, definitely cool to see how even regular folks that make a point to do SOMETHING fitness related within their life are generally living longer. Not surprising of course, but always interesting to see the data.

Yea but they like to run. I like to lift , and i am pretty sure my choices will knock a few years off my life. When i read about people that live into the 90's or 100's i generally don't see where they ever really worked out. They were just moderate, didn't get over weight and ate relatively healthy compared to the average person. Working out is better then doing nothing and getting overweight. But long term health seems to be more about not doing damage for the most part as that is tougher to recover from.

 

[Tiny Too]

It sounds like you have a good and open minded cardiologist. I would just strongly suggest locking in life insurance and be aware of your health insurance cost before you keep the discussion going.

I would get a copy of your visit notes and read what he wrote. It may change your mind on how cool he seems. I’m not encouraging you or anyone to downplay your medical case/issues, but just like to play devils advocate and ensure everyone is aware of what is associated with those decisions.

There’s some truth to this. Talking to doctors/hospitals is almost as bad as talking to the cops. What you say can bite you in the ass…insurance companies are quick to fuck you over to save themselves.

With that said, it’s a slippery slope as you obviously want them to have complete information to assess and treat you.

I’ve talked to my GP doc after asking if I can “talk to her off the record.” But who knows what she actually put in the computer notes.

 

[marssel]

I would say that people who exercise, whether it's weights, running, etc., have a better quality of life regardless of life span. My uncle turned 87 a couple of days ago and he looks 67, if not younger. He did martial arts, walks daily, and he's lifted weights most of his life and still does. I followed in his footsteps. I don't recall many 87 year old people that look, sound, or act like him! I have a friend who will be 82 this year, and he still does an hour on the stair stepper....he's an animal!! He also works out. He's actually skiing right now. He travels and lives life! The gym truly is the fountain of youth!!

Yea and maybe it doesn’t need to be stated but people who exercise almost always drink water and in larger amounts which really shouldn’t matter, humans should drink water. I don’t get it personally I never crave soda even as a kid but I think water consumption is a part of that fountain. It’s amazing how many people don’t drink water, at all, and it ages you almost as much as smoking imo.

 

[KingOfSushi]

We didn’t get too specific into that, I did tell him my dosages (500mg and 3-4iu) and mentioned the studies done for like 20+ weeks at 600mg being pretty safe, and how I planned on doing things very moderately for only a few months at a time then coming down to true TRT and monitoring my bloods and blood pressure and doing my cardio etc etc..

He literally didn’t bat an eye. Was pretty much like,

“cool man, you seem to know what to look for and how to monitor yourself, I have no problem with that at all, it’s when you push to extremes for too long that you start to see big problems come up”

I wanted to gauge his reaction to something moderate, which to me, signals if he had no problem with that, I can’t imagine he’d think I was signing a death wish if I was to do say 750mg-1g of Test and 6-8iu of GH for a period of time as safely as possible..

He did say he did not recommend any other anabolics (not like he could or should be recommending AAS to people ) because of their ability to cause premature CVD in a lot of cases he’s seen (who knows the duration, dosages and compounds used in what he’s seen though and their lifestyle )..

Either way, for myself, I think that 1g mark and 6-8iu of GH is the most I’d be willing to push myself to for reaching my goals, only thing I’d probably think about adding is Primo, not on top of the 1g but to make it 1g total, so maybe like 500-600mg Test and 400-500mg Primo or something like that since it’s so mild and of course, would still monitor myself thoroughly, anything is off I have no problem stopping immediately.

But I can’t imagine if everything is in optimal range, or at least in good range, that the compound being used would matter much..

I will ask him though to elaborate a little more on that when I go see him again in a couple weeks for the CTA.. Maybe he’s more open minded and has more information to share than most..

I just didn’t want to press too hard and give him the vibe of being some AAS addict that just wants an excuse to abuse PEDs etc.. Not like I look like someone who abuses them anyway

How old are you?

 

[NEMSZ]

How old are you?

35

 

[marssel]

How old are you?

If he thinks there AAS addiction then you’ve got a fool for a doc anyhow.

 

[OldManLogan]

Just uneducated lazy docs using pharma company charts to get you on worthless horribly overprescribed statins.

Yup, that’s what I figured. Also, all this gatekeeper bullshit. I actually asked for an echocardiogram today, just to have a more accurate picture of whatever the situation is currently, let’s see what he says. I’ll be paying for my own if I get any shit from him or my insurance.

OP- you didn't mention anything about PED use. What has that looked like? That's going to put some miles on you. Also you mentioned you’re 53 and quit smoking almost 20 years ago. That means you probably had about 20 years of smoking under your belt which isn't great.

Also, what do your lipids look like including APO B and Lipoprotein (a)?

so, no PED use (other than TRT which I started mid Dec 2024- 3 IUs GH daily and 140mg Test-C a week).

Yup, smoked about 20 years. Lipids are in the green. Total cholesterol 146, hdl 63ldl 80, down from a year ago.

 

[KingOfSushi]

If he thinks there AAS addiction then you’ve got a fool for a doc anyhow.

Huh? I asked his age.

 

[KingOfSushi]

35

I’d definitely take more GH before pushing more MG if it were me.

 

[NEMSZ]

I’d definitely take more GH before pushing more MG if it were me.

Curious to your reasoning for that? I know I’m not at any crazy dosage in either, but do you say that because you think GH would yield better results at the same MG, it’s safer than raising the MG?