Does anyone else just feel like shit on low test/high anabolics?

[FakeName123]

I've always been a high-testosterone guy and kept it higher than my anabolic compounds but the older I get the more I prefer to maintain a 1:1.2-1.5 ratio. I look better and feel better because I'm not holding an extra 7-8kg of water in my internal organs.

Of course, it's important to remember that my goal isn't to ever add to my overall size. For someone who's a heavyweight and wants to move up to super heavyweight, a 1:1 ratio or higher, 1.5-2:1, would probably work better, depending on individual preferences.

When you say these ratios you mean ratio from test to each anabolic separately as in, 1:1 would be 1g test 1g tren 1g eq? or as in 2g test 1g tren 1g eq, etc?

Can i ask about your lethargy levels and general sense of mental wellbeing as well with the various test ratios outside of the water?

 

[luki7788]

When you say these ratios you mean ratio from test to each anabolic separately as in, 1:1 would be 1g test 1g tren 1g eq? or as in 2g test 1g tren 1g eq, etc?

Can i ask about your lethargy levels and general sense of mental wellbeing as well with the various test ratios outside of the water?

That’s 1:2 ratio not 1:1 - I tough that’s totally clear for everyone

 

[FakeName123]

That’s 1:2 ratio not 1:1 - I tough that’s totally clear for everyone

Thanks, wasnt sure

 

[FakeName123]

Lmfao 8 grams a week and you look like that ?? This has to be a joke

To be fair he said those doses made him sick, probably didn't last very long and wasn't able to work out or eat remotely correctly

 

[Elvia1023]

I am the last to overcomplicate hormones but it's not as simple ratios when it comes to test and "anabolics". Everyone is different plus every compound can be different. An example some "anabolics" will drive estrogen down more, so on low test people might feel like shit. Also what is the definitely of low test. Even if the ratio is the same the amounts can matter especially if test is very low. You gave the example of 150mg test and 700mg primo (tren too) which will likely have many (not all) feeling like shit over time. They may feel great at the start but that ratio will be off for most people. Now 350mg test and 700mg primo could be a very different thing.

Your starting point (blood work) could also be a massive factor as well. Some may start such as cycle with very high estrogen from a past cycle as most don't get blood work done and have no idea where they are at. Starting such a cycle with 100 estrogen might be very different to starting at 30 estrogen for example. I have just gave a friend a cycle to run and his very high estrogen blood reading was a major factor in what I recommended to him. He came to me with issues and I asked him to get blood work and his estrogen was 120. Then comes the difference in people in regards to what estrogen level they feel best on and for many that is 60 and for others it's half that.

I personally feel like shit on high test regardless how everything else is dosed. Yes I can minimize things by using other compounds to put me at a certain hormonal setting but 1g test makes me feel like shit no matter what. I like test and primo but test can't be too low and by that I mean 400-600mg per week. The higher the dose the more primo that might be needed. So yes ratios can work but for me it's a balance between various compounds to get the best positive effect. An example most people will always get a mental boost from adding in masteron. I think that is the perfect complimentary steroid to test. For the best feeling I like to use test, primo and mast as they work on different pathways and if I dose them a certain way I don't need any AI's. When bulking I will throw in a little deca as well. If I used higher deca I would get some side effects later on but if I keep the dose low I get some good joint benefits and with mast in the mix (and lower test) I am feeling good. The key for me is just using the right amount of each compound.

Now for the majority of time I would go with a simple mix of 600mg test and 400mg deca for growing. Maybe less test but around that sort of ratio (slightly more test than deca) always worked well for growing muscle. Again the higher I go with test the worse I usually feel. I feel much better on high deca and lower test (350mg and 700mg for example) than the opposite.

Just find out what works for you and you won't know unless you try it. You learnt from your experiment and now you can adjust things to get better results.
You know you look drier but you obviously overdone things (test was very low). Although I have to state you used 700mg tren so no shit you looked drier. That skews everything for me because you could add 700mg tren to anything and you are going to instantly improve and if you don't something is very off. Now that dose for some could cause major side effects and have them acting crazy but for sheer physique benefits you can't get much better and adding it in at such a high dose overpowers everything and skews your findings imo. I would suggest in the future upping your test and keeping everything else the same but dropping tren. Now you could add in 150-300mg tren that's up to you. I think with the higher test (not TRT) you will feel better especially if you are adding in the likes of primo, eq or mast. Play about but I wouldn't try to summarize a cycle with you looked drier in the legs on lower test when you used 700mg tren because if I done that I could also be on 700mg deca and I am going to look significantly drier everywher

 

[FakeName123]

I am the last to overcomplicate hormones but it's not as simple ratios when it comes to test and "anabolics". Everyone is different plus every compound can be different. An example some "anabolics" will drive estrogen down more, so on low test people might feel like shit. Also what is the definitely of low test. Even if the ratio is the same the amounts can matter especially if test is very low. You gave the example of 150mg test and 700mg primo (tren too) which will likely have many (not all) feeling like shit over time. They may feel great at the start but that ratio will be off for most people. Now 350mg test and 700mg primo could be a very different thing.

Your starting point (blood work) could also be a massive factor as well. Some may start such as cycle with very high estrogen from a past cycle as most don't get blood work done and have no idea where they are at. Starting such a cycle with 100 estrogen might be very different to starting at 30 estrogen for example. I have just gave a friend a cycle to run and his very high estrogen blood reading was a major factor in what I recommended to him. He came to me with issues and I asked him to get blood work and his estrogen was 120. Then comes the difference in people in regards to what estrogen level they feel best on and for many that is 60 and for others it's half that.

I personally feel like shit on high test regardless how everything else is dosed. Yes I can minimize things by using other compounds to put me at a certain hormonal setting but 1g test makes me feel like shit no matter what. I like test and primo but test can't be too low and by that I mean 400-600mg per week. The higher the dose the more primo that might be needed. So yes ratios can work but for me it's a balance between various compounds to get the best positive effect. An example most people will always get a mental boost from adding in masteron. I think that is the perfect complimentary steroid to test. For the best feeling I like to use test, primo and mast as they work on different pathways and if I dose them a certain way I don't need any AI's. When bulking I will throw in a little deca as well. If I used higher deca I would get some side effects later on but if I keep the dose low I get some good joint benefits and with mast in the mix (and lower test) I am feeling good. The key for me is just using the right amount of each compound.

Now for the majority of time I would go with a simple mix of 600mg test and 400mg deca for growing. Maybe less test but around that sort of ratio (slightly more test than deca) always worked well for growing muscle. Again the higher I go with test the worse I usually feel. I feel much better on high deca and lower test (350mg and 700mg for example) than the opposite.

Just find out what works for you and you won't know unless you try it. You learnt from your experiment and now you can adjust things to get better results.
You know you look drier but you obviously overdone things (test was very low). Although I have to state you used 700mg tren so no shit you looked drier. That skews everything for me because you could add 700mg tren to anything and you are going to instantly improve and if you don't something is very off. Now that dose for some could cause major side effects and have them acting crazy but for sheer physique benefits you can't get much better and adding it in at such a high dose overpowers everything and skews your findings imo. I would suggest in the future upping your test and keeping everything else the same but dropping tren. Now you could add in 150-300mg tren that's up to you. I think with the higher test (not TRT) you will feel better especially if you are adding in the likes of primo, eq or mast. Play about but I wouldn't try to summarize a cycle with you looked drier in the legs on lower test when you used 700mg tren because if I done that I could also be on 700mg deca and I am going to look significantly drier everywher

I was on the tren already as I said in the post. Lol

 

[FakeName123]

I am the last to overcomplicate hormones but it's not as simple ratios when it comes to test and "anabolics". Everyone is different plus every compound can be different. An example some "anabolics" will drive estrogen down more, so on low test people might feel like shit. Also what is the definitely of low test. Even if the ratio is the same the amounts can matter especially if test is very low. You gave the example of 150mg test and 700mg primo (tren too) which will likely have many (not all) feeling like shit over time. They may feel great at the start but that ratio will be off for most people. Now 350mg test and 700mg primo could be a very different thing.

Your starting point (blood work) could also be a massive factor as well. Some may start such as cycle with very high estrogen from a past cycle as most don't get blood work done and have no idea where they are at. Starting such a cycle with 100 estrogen might be very different to starting at 30 estrogen for example. I have just gave a friend a cycle to run and his very high estrogen blood reading was a major factor in what I recommended to him. He came to me with issues and I asked him to get blood work and his estrogen was 120. Then comes the difference in people in regards to what estrogen level they feel best on and for many that is 60 and for others it's half that.

I personally feel like shit on high test regardless how everything else is dosed. Yes I can minimize things by using other compounds to put me at a certain hormonal setting but 1g test makes me feel like shit no matter what. I like test and primo but test can't be too low and by that I mean 400-600mg per week. The higher the dose the more primo that might be needed. So yes ratios can work but for me it's a balance between various compounds to get the best positive effect. An example most people will always get a mental boost from adding in masteron. I think that is the perfect complimentary steroid to test. For the best feeling I like to use test, primo and mast as they work on different pathways and if I dose them a certain way I don't need any AI's. When bulking I will throw in a little deca as well. If I used higher deca I would get some side effects later on but if I keep the dose low I get some good joint benefits and with mast in the mix (and lower test) I am feeling good. The key for me is just using the right amount of each compound.

Now for the majority of time I would go with a simple mix of 600mg test and 400mg deca for growing. Maybe less test but around that sort of ratio (slightly more test than deca) always worked well for growing muscle. Again the higher I go with test the worse I usually feel. I feel much better on high deca and lower test (350mg and 700mg for example) than the opposite.

Just find out what works for you and you won't know unless you try it. You learnt from your experiment and now you can adjust things to get better results.
You know you look drier but you obviously overdone things (test was very low). Although I have to state you used 700mg tren so no shit you looked drier. That skews everything for me because you could add 700mg tren to anything and you are going to instantly improve and if you don't something is very off. Now that dose for some could cause major side effects and have them acting crazy but for sheer physique benefits you can't get much better and adding it in at such a high dose overpowers everything and skews your findings imo. I would suggest in the future upping your test and keeping everything else the same but dropping tren. Now you could add in 150-300mg tren that's up to you. I think with the higher test (not TRT) you will feel better especially if you are adding in the likes of primo, eq or mast. Play about but I wouldn't try to summarize a cycle with you looked drier in the legs on lower test when you used 700mg tren because if I done that I could also be on 700mg deca and I am going to look significantly drier everywher

I will read the rest in a min taking doge to the beach, thanks for the long post I appreciate the input