Does Primo have the same effect as Masteron combating 19-nor sides?

[Siggy]

My libido and junk are so easily tanked it's pathetic. The test was plenty high and like I said it was 200mg or less. I can take letro at 2.5mg/wk without issue and I doubt 100mg primo is even close to that.

 

[Flocci]

For years my favorite summer/getting ready for a show was masteron with EQ, since ive been brewing my own for 20 years now i still like a primo/ mast, and of course test in general. Primo is still faked quite a bit and most people fake it with masteron. If i had to choose I'd probably take primo over masteron,but it's a close call, if you want to take a 19 nor defintly choose masteron. With Eq I would mention that a lot people taking it at high dose 400mg plus a week experince anxiety, me I've had anxiety for as long as I can remeber so I don't notice any worse symptoms with it. Eq is also known to run your red blood cell count up quicker than some other AAS so something to watch

masteron is a DHT derivative though.

Have you checked your estrogen in regards to EQs effect on your anxiety? i believe a lot of people that experience anxiety on EQ is from crushing their estrogen. But it makes sense that you would get some anxiety if it jacks up your RBCs as well.

 

[Sectør]

For me mast is more of a "look and feel" compound, primo is a good anabolic and I really liked it but it has no effect on my well-being or performance during training. On the other hand masteron even as an addition in a small dose greatly improves my libido and it seems to me that it stimulates the CNS which results in better muscle feeling and maybe even a bit of strength during training

I know you’re a big fan of primo so I figured you’d be a good person to ask here

I’ve been running 375 test, 600 mast, 900-1200eq for a bit now, and I’ve been making good progress on my very slow bulk/recomp, but I kind of want to switch up the compounds a little out of maybe Boredom, and also in wanting to give primo a solid try (it’s been years since I run promo and I think I ran it too low and was underwhelmed). I’m also a high aromatiser with some gyno so that’s a heavy consideration in why I stick to estrogen crushers and dry compounds

Idea 1:
Test/eq/ primo

Thinking like 500-750 test/900 eq/700 primo

Idea 2:
Test/mast/primo

500-750 test, 600 mast, 700 primo


Part of me thinks I should give Eq a break for a bit because it’s been in a while and my rbc and hemocrit are most likely high

 

[dieselbuilder]

Part of me thinks I should give Eq a break for a bit because it’s been in a while and my rbc and hemocrit are most likely high

Funny because today I realized that I need a break from eq. Running almost 400mg EW since August. I love it but it’s starting to fuck with my head a bit. maybe a few months away from it just running test

 

[my_way]

I know you’re a big fan of primo so I figured you’d be a good person to ask here

I’ve been running 375 test, 600 mast, 900-1200eq for a bit now, and I’ve been making good progress on my very slow bulk/recomp, but I kind of want to switch up the compounds a little out of maybe Boredom, and also in wanting to give primo a solid try (it’s been years since I run promo and I think I ran it too low and was underwhelmed). I’m also a high aromatiser with some gyno so that’s a heavy consideration in why I stick to estrogen crushers and dry compounds

Idea 1:
Test/eq/ primo

Thinking like 500-750 test/900 eq/700 primo

Idea 2:
Test/mast/primo

500-750 test, 600 mast, 700 primo


Part of me thinks I should give Eq a break for a bit because it’s been in a while and my rbc and hemocrit are most likely high

How does this low test high eq cycle feel compared to higher doses of test for you? Are the gains slower?

 

[KingOfSushi]

Part of me thinks I should give Eq a break for a bit because it’s been in a while and my rbc and hemocrit are most likely high

Why not just check?

 

[luki7788]

I know you’re a big fan of primo so I figured you’d be a good person to ask here

I’ve been running 375 test, 600 mast, 900-1200eq for a bit now, and I’ve been making good progress on my very slow bulk/recomp, but I kind of want to switch up the compounds a little out of maybe Boredom, and also in wanting to give primo a solid try (it’s been years since I run promo and I think I ran it too low and was underwhelmed). I’m also a high aromatiser with some gyno so that’s a heavy consideration in why I stick to estrogen crushers and dry compounds

Idea 1:
Test/eq/ primo

Thinking like 500-750 test/900 eq/700 primo

Idea 2:
Test/mast/primo

500-750 test, 600 mast, 700 primo


Part of me thinks I should give Eq a break for a bit because it’s been in a while and my rbc and hemocrit are most likely high

Why co complicate? Just use test+primo with equal doses

 

[Sectør]

Why co complicate? Just use test+primo with equal doses

Will do man, thank you

How does this low test high eq cycle feel compared to higher doses of test for you? Are the gains slower?

I’m enjoying it personally. Higher test will obviously put mass on much better but I’m not really speed racing towards a higher mass frame. I want to stay lean while i add another 10lbs of tissue over the next 2 years then just to keep that and build muscle maturity and bring up the weak points. So in that regard it’s worked well for me

That said I’ll probably just even up the test and primo dose and drop the eq like luki mentioned

 

[Doitagain]

This is just my own personal experience so take it for what it's worth.
I've always been (still am) a big fan of Masteron even just for its mood boosting and libido enhancing effects.
Yet, these lovely features of Drostanolone seem to wear off (or at least feel significantly attenuated) after about 8-10 weeks of administration, or maybe I just get so used to a new baseline that I can't really notice it anymore. It sure keeps on doing its job just fine in terms of appearance, but I need to take a few weeks break if I want to experience that peculiar kind of boost again.

 

[Sectør]

Funny because today I realized that I need a break from eq. Running almost 400mg EW since August. I love it but it’s starting to fuck with my head a bit. maybe a few months away from it just running test

Yeah I’m probably In the same boat as you

Have had eq in for a long time now, think it’s time to temporarily drop it for a bit. Not experiencing any negative mental sides, just feel it’s time to maybe rotate it out, and if that helps with my sleep or something then I definitely wouldn’t complain.

What negatives are you experiencing from it?

 

[Sambo44]

typically ill include 200-300 mast in any cycle with deca or tren and I'm fine. would primo offer this as well or only masteron?

What type of 19 nor side effects are we talking about here ?

 

[dieselbuilder]

Yeah I’m probably In the same boat as you

Have had eq in for a long time now, think it’s time to temporarily drop it for a bit. Not experiencing any negative mental sides, just feel it’s time to maybe rotate it out, and if that helps with my sleep or something then I definitely wouldn’t complain.

What negatives are you experiencing from it?

I think the anxiety. There are some things in my life that are pissing me off but I feel like there’s extra negativity in my head because of the eq. I could be wrong. But in terms of the anxiety I am getting it for even basic things that I need to do. Id like to see what life is like without it for a bit.

 

[my_way]

Will do man, thank you

I’m enjoying it personally. Higher test will obviously put mass on much better but I’m not really speed racing towards a higher mass frame. I want to stay lean while i add another 10lbs of tissue over the next 2 years then just to keep that and build muscle maturity and bring up the weak points. So in that regard it’s worked well for me

That said I’ll probably just even up the test and primo dose and drop the eq like luki mentioned

Yeah I’m still kinda stuck on what the best route for me would be. Either 500 test with DHT/EQ or trt dose with another anabolic. I’m talking about something long term I can run year round and make progress.

 

[EFShadow]

I know you’re a big fan of primo so I figured you’d be a good person to ask here

I’ve been running 375 test, 600 mast, 900-1200eq for a bit now, and I’ve been making good progress on my very slow bulk/recomp, but I kind of want to switch up the compounds a little out of maybe Boredom, and also in wanting to give primo a solid try (it’s been years since I run promo and I think I ran it too low and was underwhelmed). I’m also a high aromatiser with some gyno so that’s a heavy consideration in why I stick to estrogen crushers and dry compounds

Idea 1:
Test/eq/ primo

Thinking like 500-750 test/900 eq/700 primo

Idea 2:
Test/mast/primo

500-750 test, 600 mast, 700 primo


Part of me thinks I should give Eq a break for a bit because it’s been in a while and my rbc and hemocrit are most likely high

I would not run primo and eq together.

 

[luki7788]

I would not run primo and eq together.

Why? Give one rational reason

If you say „crush your e2” just don’t say anything lol

 

[my_way]

Why? Give one rational reason

If you say „crush your e2” just don’t say anything lol

Does it really make much of a difference if e2 is 15 or 70 for growth phase? People say eq won’t be effective if e2 is too low.

 

[EFShadow]

Why? Give one rational reason

If you say „crush your e2” just don’t say anything lol

They have similar actions from a practical standpoint and at a combined 1600 mg per week, estrogen may be an issue. I don’t get folks who are blind to recent data on both EQ and especially primo as estrogen suppressors. One of primo’s metabolites IS an ai. There is zero debate on this.

EQ is known to impact the estrogen receptor as well. By shunting down the test to estrogen metabolism, it also forces a higher DHT conversion from the test itself. Test will be broken down into estrogen or dht. When one pathway is blocked, the other up regulates. The recent data over the last few years is pretty strong and most of elite coaches and experts are all in agreement.

You can agree or not, but the research is there and the OP should make up their own mind regardless of what you and I say.

 

[EFShadow]

Does it really make much of a difference if e2 is 15 or 70 for growth phase? People say eq won’t be effective if e2 is too low.

Estrogen is extremely important in the conversion of growth hormone into IGF1.

 

[my_way]

Estrogen is extremely important in the conversion of growth hormone into IGF1.

My frustration is that sure there are studies that can back that up, but real life data shows it doesn’t really matter that much when you’re taking 1g+ of AAS

 

[EFShadow]

The other argument is that since primo and eq both do the same basic things in terms of growth etc, why not just use eq due to the price?