Does Primo have the same effect as Masteron combating 19-nor sides?

[EFShadow]

Low E2 hits me with joint (elbows first then others) and lower back pain/tightness (I guess from drying it out). I don't really notice much else and I typically do something about it. Mood and sexual function don't seem impacted outside of pain/stiffness. Obviously I'm getting bloods but when that crap shows up I know I've screwed up, nevertheless bloods anyway. I stayed on eq a bit longer one time just to get a decent E2 read on 1000 test vs the 750.

I don't get anything like that with winstrol or any "drying" compound. It's fixed once I can get E2 up. Enough AI can do the same for sure. Deca also doesn't help with it despite great benefit to me in nearly all other cases.

Do you get dry skin and scalp and poor hair quality at all?

 

[EFShadow]

Tons of testing showing up last few years. One thing on the HRT+ crowd is that they have money, care about their health and monitor. Some of the bulk of first reports on 1) eq lowering E2 2) primo lowering E2 3) primo hitting HDL even at moderate doses.

I have copious bloods back 15ish years (used peds on/off since 1990s). I can confirm 1-3 above on me. Exception is I haven't run primo under 600mg weekly (stellar bloods except HDL hit is near the same as 350mg of tren and 50mg Ed winstrol in a stack) so I don't know how low I can go before HDL hit shows. Primo lowers E2 some like 50% on 500 test 600 primo - leaves me at or just above top of normal male range. Equipoise, per above testing, is my E2 doom.

Like I said, individual as to impact and severity. Going theory is that E2 hit is caused by metabolites of these compounds.

Basically what we know and surmise now https://thinksteroids.com/articles/primobolan-equipoise-crashed-my-e2-help/

If anyone is interested, look at the chemical structures of eq and primo side by side. They are extremely similar.

 

[Sectør]

EQ doesn't lower estrogen, it will aromatize but only about 10 t0 20 percent as much as testosterone

EQ converts to a weaker estrogen (e1)

The weaker estrogen clogs the estrogen receptors, making it harder for the stronger estrogen (e2) to bind since there’s limited binding availability

This is why many people report lower e2 estrogen when on eq but I agree that it doesn’t directly lower e2 to my knowledge. It just makes it harder to bind

 

[BamaCrazy]

Do you get dry skin and scalp and poor hair quality at all?

I do. My last Primo cycle my E2 got down to 10. My joints ached, my back was dry and itchy, my hair felt and looked dry and brittle, I started getting mild nagging injuries, even my emotions were dry. Good times.

 

[Mufasa123]

Do you get dry skin and scalp and poor hair quality at all?

I don't really leave my E2 crashed for any period of time. Joint stuff is motivating and it's the first and really only symptom. So haven't noticed anything skin or otherwise. Plus I'm bald already so hair would be hard to judge.

 

[Mufasa123]

EQ converts to a weaker estrogen (e1)

The weaker estrogen clogs the estrogen receptors, making it harder for the stronger estrogen (e2) to bind since there’s limited binding availability

This is why many people report lower e2 estrogen when on eq but I agree that it doesn’t directly lower e2 to my knowledge. It just makes it harder to bind

Many have reported (me in this thread) of lower serum E2 on equipoise. I'm a decent aromatizer and E2 was rock bottom crash on 750 test with 600 equipoise. 1000 test and 600 eq puts me low 20s. 200 test no equipoise is 60s from memory. These are sensative E2 serum tests and same exact test E (ie batch from same brew and media bottle) I've used for years so zero variability there.

I imagine e1/estrone from equipoise might make a give serum seem worse but my serum along was dogshit.

 

[juiceball44]

Many have reported (me in this thread) of lower serum E2 on equipoise. I'm a decent aromatizer and E2 was rock bottom crash on 750 test with 600 equipoise. 1000 test and 600 eq puts me low 20s. 200 test no equipoise is 60s from memory. These are sensative E2 serum tests and same exact test E (ie batch from same brew and media bottle) I've used for years so zero variability there.

I imagine e1/estrone from equipoise might make a give serum seem worse but my serum along was dogshit.

I’m similar as well

250 test only sensitive e2 45
700/700 test/primo sensitive e2 40
700/700 test/eq sensitive e2 12

 

[luki7788]

EQ converts to a weaker estrogen (e1)

The weaker estrogen clogs the estrogen receptors, making it harder for the stronger estrogen (e2) to bind since there’s limited binding availability

This is why many people report lower e2 estrogen when on eq but I agree that it doesn’t directly lower e2 to my knowledge. It just makes it harder to bind

I agree - check your e1 on EQ and it will be skyrocket

 

[kadafi2]

and not everyone will have low E2 using EQ or primo - it is true that in most people you will notice it but not everyone reacts like that and it is the same as saying that you cannot use 2 nandrolones at the same time - what difference does it make whether you use e.g. 400mg deca and 200mg tren or 600mg deca alone - the progesterone response will be very similar, the same in EQ and primo both have unique features so using 2 at the same time in smaller doses is not bad and undesirable - it all depends on what we want to get from such a combination

Is it similar with combining two DHT derivatives? For example:

test
primo
master

Masteron would be for better libido, well-being, and primo and test as the base of the cycle. The goal is dry mass/recomp. I guess it's not a popular cycle, I found almost nothing on the subject in the search engine. Maybe I didn't search hard enough. What do you and others think about such a combination?

 

[Cerberus777]

I would not run primo and eq together.

My summer endurance stack is eq and primo based with as much test and mast as needed to feel right.

 

[luki7788]

Is it similar with combining two DHT derivatives? For example:

test
primo
master

Masteron would be for better libido, well-being, and primo and test as the base of the cycle. The goal is dry mass/recomp. I guess it's not a popular cycle, I found almost nothing on the subject in the search engine. Maybe I didn't search hard enough. What do you and others think about such a combination?

This days werry popular combo

 

[Sectør]

Is it similar with combining two DHT derivatives? For example:

test
primo
master

Masteron would be for better libido, well-being, and primo and test as the base of the cycle. The goal is dry mass/recomp. I guess it's not a popular cycle, I found almost nothing on the subject in the search engine. Maybe I didn't search hard enough. What do you and others think about such a combination?

I’ll be running it soon. I expect good things

 

[Doitagain]

Jesus Christ.
I originally multi-quoted about 20 posts but these last two pages are so fucked up and full of crap that I eventually gave up.
One member in particular, so bold in his statement, is embarassigly clueless yet poses as some kind of expert, and since nobody stopped this imbecility show in its track he went on undisturbed.
Free advice for new members: skip these 2-2.5 pages pretty much as a whole.

 

[KingOfSushi]

Jesus Christ.
I originally multi-quoted about 20 posts but these last two pages are so fucked up and full of crap that I eventually gave up.
One member in particular, so bold in his statement, is embarassigly clueless yet poses as some kind of expert, and since nobody stopped this imbecility show in its track he went on undisturbed.
Free advice for new members: skip these 2-2.5 pages pretty much as a whole.

Mast as a 19nor was my favorite part lol