Does Trenbolone have a direct negative impact on Joints?

[Wayacrucis]

I recently switched from 1000mg Test Enth/week and 600mg Deca/week to 1000mg Test Enth/Week and Tren Enth 600mg/Week. I swapped out Deca for tren, though I am running 300mg deca/week just for the joint support.

So my cycle currently looks like:

1000mg Test Enth/Week, 600mg Tren Enth/Week, 300mg Deca/week

I also take 12.5mg aromasin EOD.

It's been 3 weeks since I switched and the last two weeks my joints have been on fire. My muscles feel rock hard, but they are also stiff in a very dis-comfortable manner. Everything is just so rock hard that it hurts when I perform heavy compound movements like hack squats, bench press, etc. Joints also feel a lot more fragile, especially the elbows and knees. Almost feels like all the water has been sucked out and they're super dry.

I've used Tren plenty of times before..and I do recall that it always made my muscles hard, but I don't remember it having a negative impact on the joints. I mean I am still taking 300mg of deca per week, so I am surprised my body hurts to this extent.

Any input on this?

 

[Busamuscle]

Do u seem to be holding any water? If not trying slowly reducing the aromasin and see if that helps. Your E2 levels may be to low. Tren only hurts my joints when I start really moving some serious weight.

 

[Sieve]

I got the same everytime i used tren or winstrol

 

[Adonis89]

I think it is via corticosteroid balance. Winstrol has other affects on collagen synthesis which can cause joint issues and tendon brittleness, etc. Winstrol doesn't act like tren does on my joints. With tren, I don't get "weaker" joints, but rather very crackly, popping joints. Proper corticosteroid balance is very important for joint health (breaking up inflammation in the synovial fluid etc).

Ultimately though, if test is in physio range, and I run tren, I notice no negative issues on joints besides the extra crackling and popping.

 

[Wayacrucis]

I think it is via corticosteroid balance. Winstrol has other affects on collagen synthesis which can cause joint issues and tendon brittleness, etc. Winstrol doesn't act like tren does on my joints. With tren, I don't get "weaker" joints, but rather very crackly, popping joints. Proper corticosteroid balance is very important for joint health (breaking up inflammation in the synovial fluid etc).

Ultimately though, if test is in physio range, and I run tren, I notice no negative issues on joints besides the extra crackling and popping.

That I've been told. Tren solo will usually destroy the joints, because it suppresses estrogen and low estrogen leads to joint pain and dryness. Though when running Tren in conjunction with Test, it's not supposed to cause problems. My test is def not bunk..libido is through the roof.

 

[Adonis89]

That I've been told. Tren solo will usually destroy the joints, because it suppresses estrogen and low estrogen leads to joint pain and dryness. Though when running Tren in conjunction with Test, it's not supposed to cause problems. My test is def not bunk..libido is through the roof.

the lack of test leads to low estrogen. Tren doesn't lower estrogen directly.

I'm not talking about estrogen or testosterone mediated affects on joints. Assuming test and E2 are in physiological range, tren still can cause joint "problems" by interfering with corticosteroid balance.

 

[Wayacrucis]

the lack of test leads to low estrogen. Tren doesn't lower estrogen directly.

I'm not talking about estrogen or testosterone mediated affects on joints. Assuming test and E2 are in physiological range, tren still can cause joint "problems" by interfering with corticosteroid balance.

Is there a way to remedy this problem?

 

[Swifto]

Only fairly used compound I saw that had direct joint toxicity was Arimidex.

Winstrol was also not kind through TGF-1 Beta.

 

[Doctordonald85]

Adex is downright painful. Deca is said to improve collagen synthesis 240%, and reduce joint pain, and I haven't heard of tren causing joint pain, or experienced this myself. Adex or Winstrol are obvious culprits...

 

[Swifto]

Adex is downright painful. Deca is said to improve collagen synthesis 240%, and reduce joint pain, and I haven't heard of tren causing joint pain, or experienced this myself. Adex or Winstrol are obvious culprits...

Where did you read this?

 

[ManoftheWorld]

First start with the obvious and lower your aromasin dose... if after a week or two you dont notice any better, since it will take a bit to start aromatising again, then consider tren and the cortisol aspect... maybe supplementation with pregnenolone or other precursors to cortisol can be SPARINGLY used... you dont want to have to end up jack up your aromasin again and go thru a yoyo effect

 

[Jizzmo]

damn adonis, i thought i was the only one noticing the cracking and popping... i hate leg pressing on tren, this is the one exercise that ALWAYS makes my knees crack and pop at the top of the movement when im on tren and this is not a good feeling, lol. i hate it when someone cracks their knuckles or something. i never notice tren effects on any other exercise (except for the fact that i cant straighten out my arms fully after a biceps workout), but tren just makes me stiff as hell...

 

[Adonis89]

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Is there a way to remedy this problem?

I think the only way to really remedy it is to use tren in shorter bursts, rather than long cycles. It's a hard drug on the adrenals bc of the strong corticosteroid inhibition properties it has. If using it longer, I would recommend low doses, like 100mg enanthate per week or 100-150mg acetate per week. surprisingly (or not), it sill works at such a low dose!

 

[Adonis89]

damn adonis, i thought i was the only one noticing the cracking and popping... i hate leg pressing on tren, this is the one exercise that ALWAYS makes my knees crack and pop at the top of the movement when im on tren and this is not a good feeling, lol. i hate it when someone cracks their knuckles or something. i never notice tren effects on any other exercise (except for the fact that i cant straighten out my arms fully after a biceps workout), but tren just makes me stiff as hell...

Masteron for example will make my joints dry and achy, whereas tren just seems to make them a bit stiff and popping/crackly.

GH seemed to really help with this - I guess via some action on adrenal function/corticosteroid balance...or simply by drawing more fluid into the joints.

 

[Popichulo]

Doesn't impact mine


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[Axillist]

Where did you read this?

While his numbers are off slightly compared to this article, this is most likely where he read it. The excerpt from the article states "Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want — an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood"

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