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DoggCrapp - When you were abusing Tren?

I have used very similar dose of tren with my 200 mg test TRT . did it for about 18 months , and like Dante there was hardness to my body and an increase in sex drive. I have dropped Tren about six months ago , due to similar concerns , but honestly , I miss it.



18 months of tren . How long after till you recovered . Also any sides when you stopped tren ? Did you taper or just come off . You see anything on the bloods after 18months on ?


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Interesting started 2 days ago 30mg of trenA perday was only planing it for a few weeks 6-8 maybe

200lbs is always 200lbs



Your going to love it . Try and stick to 6-8 weeks ur going to get tempted to go further


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Your going to love it . Try and stick to 6-8 weeks ur going to get tempted to go further


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So i hear looking forward to it i only got enough for that time frame so i would not be tempted lol

200lbs is always 200lbs
 
I have used very similar dose of tren with my 200 mg test TRT . did it for about 18 months , and like Dante there was hardness to my body and an increase in sex drive. I have dropped Tren about six months ago , due to similar concerns , but honestly , I miss it.

What kind of changes did you see in your bloods, bp, and heart rate on the low dose of tren as opposed to when off?
 
The 70mg i was talking about was test dosage.....I was experimenting with doing lower test dosage per week for a while but i train so heavy my joints started hurting. The 7mg 3x a week tren thing i tried (21mg a week) was just something i tried after my bloodwork and then when i came upon my next bloodwork...I didnt like the changes that took place



Hi Dante : what was your free and total test on 70 mg /week? What's your sweet spot for free/total test?
 
Dante,

Another off-topic question...............a few months ago, you stated that you were having the True Nutrition flavors switched from stevia and sucralose to monk fruit. Can you let me know where you are on this?

Thanks,
Dan

We have tried and tried and tried and experimented probably 20 times so far with different flavor houses and different flavor chemists....its not there yet. This is a very important decision for my company....so im being very calculating and cautious. I want to do it yesterday but......if you remember years ago we had "free flavors"...and free flavors were flavors that were cheap so we paid for them and we felt they were acceptable. They were adequate. Adequate does not cut it. All I heard online is how TN's flavors suck and (in my opinion the free flavors that everyone said they wanted us to keep) werent great. Once you create that "I hate the taste of that companys product" thats a very hard branding to break. We did away with those free flavors and went with our flavor system that we worked on for 2 years that people rave about. {Alot of people freaked out about us doing away with the free flavors which surprised the hell out of us because we used to get so many complaints about them}....Now the majority of people absolutely love the way TN's stuff tastes as these new flavors do kickass. So IM a big believer in monk fruit because some people have ragweed allergy (stevia) and some people dont like sucralose but there are 2 probs
a) monkfruit is so expensive....way more expensive than stevia. But just like stevia's prices with time that will come down. Regardless we forge on trying to implement monk fruit
b) It is extremely hard to get monkfruits sweetener flavor profile dialed in. It HAS...ABSOLUTELY HAS to taste better or at least just as good as what we have now....and ive tried side by side comparisons time and time again with the monk fruit prototypes vs what we have now....and what we have now still beats the pants off of it. (im not the only one trying...we bring in other employees and even have wives/girlfriends give it a go)....its kind of like the difference between an OREO cookie made by OREO and the grocery store knockoff version of an OREO cookie....its just not cutting it....yet
 
Dante,

How long did you stay on 20mcg of clen? Did you experience any negative sides from it? What did you notice from it most? Did you take it only on workout days (pre-workout)?

Yea i dont want to put it out there like its any big secret cog of a plan. I dont like stimulants usually. I had some extra clen bottles hanging around - havent used it in many years and i didnt like using it all day long...so i just thought Ill do one drop pre workout and see what this does over time. I even tried 2 drops after a while....i would sweat my ass off and lost bodyfat and it works no doubt...but it really wasnt any planned out idea....just a guy on TRT using up some of his old stock of stuff the most comfortable way possible.
 
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Hi Dante : what was your free and total test on 70 mg /week? What's your sweet spot for free/total test?

I dont know....I didnt get bloodwork during it as my joints started hurting so i went back up to reg dosage.
My doc is pretty darn liberal...he is of the thought process of "if your bloodwork and BP are fine....you can be here".... I like the higher range of total test...thats where i like to be.....I get lazy sometimes and skip shots over a few weeks and have gone in and it was 450 or 550 and he was like "what are you doing? why is it down there?"....i try to stay in the 700 to 1100 range if i can and usually im 650 to 950
 

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I dont know....I didnt get bloodwork during it as my joints started hurting so i went back up to reg dosage.
My doc is pretty darn liberal...he is of the thought process of "if your bloodwork and BP are fine....you can be here".... I like the higher range of total test...thats where i like to be.....I get lazy sometimes and skip shots over a few weeks and have gone in and it was 450 or 550 and he was like "what are you doing? why is it down there?"....i try to stay in the 700 to 1100 range if i can and usually im 650 to 950

This results are fantastic good.
 
I think the key ( for me anyway) is to just do my 180 mgs of test a week and see if DIM does enought to my estro that I can just use it instead of anti e.. I'll know next week.. And to " blast" with 400 to 600 NPP or eq ( maybe primo for 6 to 8 weeks then just back to trt..IVE been able to to a decent size with pussy dosages so maybe I will just do this for a bit and see where it takes me..
 
I dont know....I didnt get bloodwork during it as my joints started hurting so i went back up to reg dosage.
My doc is pretty darn liberal...he is of the thought process of "if your bloodwork and BP are fine....you can be here".... I like the higher range of total test...thats where i like to be.....I get lazy sometimes and skip shots over a few weeks and have gone in and it was 450 or 550 and he was like "what are you doing? why is it down there?"....i try to stay in the 700 to 1100 range if i can and usually im 650 to 950

Hey dante are you running your aromasin at 12 mgs a day still or are you doing DIM.. ? Just curious
 
We have tried and tried and tried and experimented probably 20 times so far with different flavor houses and different flavor chemists....its not there yet. This is a very important decision for my company....so im being very calculating and cautious. I want to do it yesterday but......if you remember years ago we had "free flavors"...and free flavors were flavors that were cheap so we paid for them and we felt they were acceptable. They were adequate. Adequate does not cut it. All I heard online is how TN's flavors suck and (in my opinion the free flavors that everyone said they wanted us to keep) werent great. Once you create that "I hate the taste of that companys product" thats a very hard branding to break. We did away with those free flavors and went with our flavor system that we worked on for 2 years that people rave about. {Alot of people freaked out about us doing away with the free flavors which surprised the hell out of us because we used to get so many complaints about them}....Now the majority of people absolutely love the way TN's stuff tastes as these new flavors do kickass. So IM a big believer in monk fruit because some people have ragweed allergy (stevia) and some people dont like sucralose but there are 2 probs
a) monkfruit is so expensive....way more expensive than stevia. But just like stevia's prices with time that will come down. Regardless we forge on trying to implement monk fruit
b) It is extremely hard to get monkfruits sweetener flavor profile dialed in. It HAS...ABSOLUTELY HAS to taste better or at least just as good as what we have now....and ive tried side by side comparisons time and time again with the monk fruit prototypes vs what we have now....and what we have now still beats the pants off of it. (im not the only one trying...we bring in other employees and even have wives/girlfriends give it a go)....its kind of like the difference between an OREO cookie made by OREO and the grocery store knockoff version of an OREO cookie....its just not cutting it....yet
I'll be honest with ya Dante... I've loved almost every flavor you've had for your products....

I HATE strawberry and vanilla flavor but my wife loves them and I was out of my chocolate fudge brownie and had no choice but to drink hers...

I order more of it the next day...

Keep up the great work and I think it's awesome you sell on Amazon now too



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I think the key ( for me anyway) is to just do my 180 mgs of test a week and see if DIM does enought to my estro that I can just use it instead of anti e.. I'll know next week.. And to " blast" with 400 to 600 NPP or eq ( maybe primo for 6 to 8 weeks then just back to trt..IVE been able to to a decent size with pussy dosages so maybe I will just do this for a bit and see where it takes me..

Yea I just started taking DIM last week (1 morning and 1 night) to see if I can lower my E2 from 52 on 20mg cyp daily. I feel like my erection quality has already improved.
 
Yea I just started taking DIM last week (1 morning and 1 night) to see if I can lower my E2 from 52 on 20mg cyp daily. I feel like my erection quality has already improved.



Before I got on trt I tried dim. It actually raised my e2.
 
I dont know....I didnt get bloodwork during it as my joints started hurting so i went back up to reg dosage.

My doc is pretty darn liberal...he is of the thought process of "if your bloodwork and BP are fine....you can be here".... I like the higher range of total test...thats where i like to be.....I get lazy sometimes and skip shots over a few weeks and have gone in and it was 450 or 550 and he was like "what are you doing? why is it down there?"....i try to stay in the 700 to 1100 range if i can and usually im 650 to 950


Dante:

I have been to many endos gp's and urologists & they don't believe 315 total test is low ..& they never look at free test.

I already take zinc/d3/boron 3mg daily/citriline malate/taurine/creatine mono/bcaa.

Have any advice ? I was going to add d asparic acid and maybe EAAS from TN, but not sure.

Any suggestions?
 
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Before I got on trt I tried dim. It actually raised my e2.

Maybe scott Stevenson will chime in here.. Scott warned me that dim can elevate e2 but that's not the whole picture.. What it's doing to metabolise estro is the big picture. With 25 mgs a day of test and 100 dim in morning and 100 in evening I have noticed normal erections.. Something that most required viagra or levitra for me for many years.. Could it be just lowering my test ? Possible.. But since DIM Can't hurt I'll keep it in the equation..
 
Maybe scott Stevenson will chime in here.. Scott warned me that dim can elevate e2 but that's not the whole picture.. What it's doing to metabolise estro is the big picture. With 25 mgs a day of test and 100 dim in morning and 100 in evening I have noticed normal erections.. Something that most required viagra or levitra for me for many years.. Could it be just lowering my test ? Possible.. But since DIM Can't hurt I'll keep it in the equation..



My dosage ranged between 200-600mg daily.
 
Hey dante are you running your aromasin at 12 mgs a day still or are you doing DIM.. ? Just curious

Just doing DIM myself Lats but i do 2 tabs morn and 2 tabs nite...ill see where that puts me next bloodwork...i dropped the aromasin after i was using DIM with it and my estradiol was way too low
 
Before I got on trt I tried dim. It actually raised my e2.

Ive tried some before from other companies and i was sour on it because I saw nothing but ive seen others use source naturals brand....and tried it myself....and that effected my bloodwork
 

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