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[Stewie]

I started using Knox gelatin on and off over 30 years ago. Then used bovine and marine collagen for over 10 years straight. Still wore out, damaged joints and tendons and had things replaced. and am a good 2 inches shorter then i was from all the cartilage wearing away in my joints and the discs in my back getting thinner. The dog i have now has used collagen all his life and he has the worst joints of any dog i have ever had. Seems the body can't absorb collagen as the molecule is to big. And the digestive system chops it up into aminos like other proteins for the most part. Some studies point to collagen II having some benefit.

Primarly the reasoning why hydrolyzed collagen is more efficiently assimilated vs non-hydrolyzed collagen. The Dalton (molecule weight) size is too large to permeate the intestinal lining from non-hydrolyzed collagen. The process of hydrolysis breaks down large intact collagen to smaller proteins for better assimilation. Then there's collagen tripeptide that purportedly has better assimilation, and allegedly has antiathroscorotic potential.

I do agree, gelatin with vitamin C would be more cost effective.

Do you feel it helps? Think I’ll probably try supplementing some for a while.

I'd like to hope so. At 60 y/o I have no facial wrinkles, jowls or droopy neck like most individuals my age. I do have nasolabial folds and one frown line from years of squinting. All of this could be more so related to my healthy lifestyle and not specific to collagen supplements. Who knows?

 

[Sectør]

Primarly the reasoning why hydrolyzed collagen is more efficiently assimilated vs non-hydrolyzed collagen. The Dalton (molecule weight) size is too large to permeate the intestinal lining from non-hydrolyzed collagen. The process of hydrolysis breaks down large intact collagen to smaller proteins for better assimilation. Then there's collagen tripeptide that purportedly has better assimilation, and allegedly has antiathroscorotic potential.

I do agree, gelatin with vitamin C would be more cost effective.



I'd like to hope so. At 60 y/o I have no facial wrinkles, jowls or droopy neck like most individuals my age. I do have nasolabial folds and one frown line from years of squinting. All of this could be more so related to my healthy lifestyle and not specific to collagen supplements. Who knows?

appreciate the insight man. I'll be ordering some today. any recommendations on brands?

That's kind of what I'm hoping to achieve as well. I figure the sooner I start the preventative care the better

 

[Stewie]

Primarly the reasoning why hydrolyzed collagen is more efficiently assimilated vs non-hydrolyzed collagen. The Dalton (molecule weight) size is too large to permeate the intestinal lining from non-hydrolyzed collagen. The process of hydrolysis breaks down large intact collagen to smaller proteins for better assimilation. Then there's collagen tripeptide that purportedly has better assimilation, and allegedly has antiathroscorotic potential.

I do agree, gelatin with vitamin C would be more cost effective.



I'd like to hope so. At 60 y/o I have no facial wrinkles, jowls or droopy neck like most individuals my age. I do have nasolabial folds and one frown line from years of squinting. All of this could be more so related to my healthy lifestyle and not specific to collagen supplements. Who knows?

Late edit: Zero joint pain either.

 

[Stewie]

appreciate the insight man. I'll be ordering some today. any recommendations on brands?

That's kind of what I'm hoping to achieve as well. I figure the sooner I start the preventative care the better

You're welcome. True nutrition or Bulk supplements seems to be pretty reputable.

 

[Black Beard]

Primarly the reasoning why hydrolyzed collagen is more efficiently assimilated vs non-hydrolyzed collagen. The Dalton (molecule weight) size is too large to permeate the intestinal lining from non-hydrolyzed collagen. The process of hydrolysis breaks down large intact collagen to smaller proteins for better assimilation. Then there's collagen tripeptide that purportedly has better assimilation, and allegedly has antiathroscorotic potential.

I do agree, gelatin with vitamin C would be more cost effective.



I'd like to hope so. At 60 y/o I have no facial wrinkles, jowls or droopy neck like most individuals my age. I do have nasolabial folds and one frown line from years of squinting. All of this could be more so related to my healthy lifestyle and not specific to collagen supplements. Who knows?

That regular tretinoin use definitely helps. You're attacking all angles. Keeping hormone axis optimal is important too (T/E2, GH/IGF, and thyroid)




For those asking, all the wholesale clubs like BJs, Costco, and Sam's club usually carry extremely well priced Vital Proteins or Neocell brand hydrolyzed collagen AKA Collagen peptides.



Personally, i see a huge difference in joint function when using regularly. (no clicking anymore and "feels" more lubricated). Many studies show collagen improves skin quality as well. (and more anecdotes of hair/nail benefits as well).



Many good surgeons and doctors also prescribe collagen+protein+vitamin C+zinc combo to greatly increase wound healing speed and improve scar tissue quality. I've personally seen it work miracles in patients with non-healing wounds. It works incredibly on bed sores as well if you have family/friends suffering from those.

 

[Black Beard]

Even when when we don't directly absorb the whole "collagen peptide" into circulation, the amino acids we break them down into are used as building blocks for skin and joint repair/maintenance (glycine, proline, hydroxyproline). Collagen is basically whey protein for your connective tissues. (IE Glycine, proline, hydroxyproline = Leucine, Valine, Isovaline basically BCAA for your joints and skin)

 

[Primoisthebest]

I’d rather eat meat, have a drink and live a few years less.

 

[lookslikesausage]

Which arm?

what was the discrepancy between the two?

 

[Skip]

I’m just here because I saw G posted this thread.



Skip

 

[TODouble2]

I saw this bozo on a podcast talking about olive oil being more effective at weight loss than Ozempic lol.

 

[KillerStack]

As I understand it they use "biological clocks" to measure age, I don't really know anything about it though. I remember this one study ssaying a combo of gh/dhea/metformin made you 2 years younger, I think they looked at the thymus.

As far as this fella, read about him a couple of years ago, and my "worry" was how in the hell anyone could tell how the 100 different supps would interact in a human body.

I think I recently read that 50% of his calories come from olive oil. Smart or stupid, no idea lol.

 

[pimpman]

My wife is a Vegan. Has been one for 20 years, a vegetarian for another 20. Healthiest person I know. Extremely strong with world class endurance. (Walked from Mexico to Canada as a vegan and gained muscle.) And she is good looking to

The vegans who look and act like death warmed over don’t know what they are doing or talking about.

So that means the shit don’t smell right

 

[SouthernMuscle]

So that means the shit don’t smell right

Waht?

 

[aHarness]

Waht?

Who knows

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Who knows

He does. But I’ll bet he won’t explain that comment

 

[aHarness]

He does. But I’ll bet he won’t explain that comment

Well I think he has me blocked after this thread

Meal timing and frequency. How important truly is it?

Bro split, 2-3 meals a day, less time in the gym, in the kitchen, eating= more time to sleep. Isn't that what they do at oxygen? Try and create the optimal environment for growth and they all say they take naps Oxygen is the exact opposite of what you said - it's about as much training volume...

www.professionalmuscle.com

So probably you as well assuming you questioned his “though process” at some point

 

[TheReverendMR]

I stay clear of most vegans . . . so many are completely whacko.

You make some very good points. Thank you for taking the time to engage.

I work with a couple. They’re great dudes. Bought the anti-cancer claims hard. They’re older, and with our cancer rates, I’m not surprised. I will say they’re not evangelical about it, which breaks on of the main vegan tenets, I believe.

 

[alfresco]

So that means the shit don’t smell right

I take offense to that.

That is not a nice thing to say about my wife. Correct?

 

[AllLoadedUp]

My wife is a Vegan. Has been one for 20 years, a vegetarian for another 20. Healthiest person I know. Extremely strong with world class endurance. (Walked from Mexico to Canada as a vegan and gained muscle.) And she is good looking to

The vegans who look and act like death warmed over don’t know what they are doing or talking about.

What response did she get when she passed someone on the trail like that? Just curious.

 

[AllLoadedUp]

I watched this documentary the other day on Netflix. I was hoping to catch some tips on some anti aging techniques but was soundly disappointed. He's vegan and well he started a company to sell his science. Takes tons of pills. Lot of weird equipment. One such piece of equipment supposedly puts 600 lbs of pressure on the abs. He does work out and do cardio but to me lives like a recluse. He looks extremely unhealthy as he has no color like other vegans. Very lonely person with tons of money. He almost looks like a plastic doll. He did a reverse plasma donation with his son and dad. Yuck. Also took pharm grade gh pen but stopped because of sides and claimed 7 pounds of new muscle from follistatin injections in a foreign company.
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Freak-a-zoid well on his way to becoming this.