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Dont mix Carb and Fat?

BigMatt

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Why is everybody in the bodybuilding community say:- Dont mix carbs and fat in the same meal?

Like for example:

If my breakfast was to be :-1/2 cup big oats quaker without sugar
-5 eggs hardboiled
-1 black coffee

I know theres fat in the whole eggs + The carbs in the oatmeal(But i eat no sugar oatmeal)...

Just wondering about this... Ive been thinking about this lately...

Why?
 

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I don't think that is a rule. I eat carbs and fats together for almost every meal. The only time I avoid fats with carbs is post-workout. I don't want the fats to slow down the digestion of the carbs.
 

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Because people think that for some reason if they eat carbs and fat at the same time that somehow the carbs will cause all the fat they at to be stored as bodyfat
 

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Because people think that for some reason if they eat carbs and fat at the same time that somehow the carbs will cause all the fat they at to be stored as bodyfat

Is there truth in this?

I can feel a difference when i eat Kinda like this:

1.Fats and Protein = No feeling of drowsiness or sluginess

2.Carbs and protein = No feeling of drowsiness or sluginess

3.Carbs and fats = Feel sluggish,drowsy.
 

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I do not see any sense in having a diet high in fat and carbohydrates. I will have a high protein diet, and then, complet with more fats or hydrates, depending on the training style, the time of the meal or my goals.
 

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No issues eating a balanced meal. Only time I’d say keep carbs and fats away from each other is post workout.


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If only people knew who was asking the question...[emoji849]

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I think it's mainly due to learning that: eating carbs = spikes insulin. Insulin = increases absorption of everything protein and fats. Then logically it means keeping fats and carbs at a inverse with meals should yield less fat gain.

I.E: High carb/low fat will increase absorption of protein over fat.
High fat/high protein will less likely store fat because there's less of a insulin spike.

However its not that simple. I think it holds more credibility if exogenous insulin was used. But endogenously the body is very complicated with how it regulates things.
 
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we only should avoid mixing carbs with saturated fats which impair insulin sensitivity
 

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I think it's mainly due to learning that: eating carbs = spikes insulin. Insulin = increases absorption of everything protein and fats. Then logically it means keeping fats and carbs at a inverse with meals should yield less fat gain.

I.E: High carb/low fat will increase absorption of protein over fat.
High fat/high protein will less likely store fat because there's less of a insulin spike.

However its not that simple. I think it holds more credibility if exogenous insulin was used. But endogenously the body is very complicated with how it regulates things.

I dont think thats right.

If someone eat: - 10 oz 95% lean ground beef with 2 cup of brocolli. Do you really think it will be stored as fat? High protein/High fat + Veggies(No carbs apart from the carbs in the veggies)

Like Carb + Protein meal = Eggwhites + oatmeal = No fat absortion. Since no fat in the meal.
 

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carbs dont make u fat. protein dont make u fat. fat? dont make u fat.
excess calories makes u fat.
why do people overthink this. u really think ONE meal is gonna "make" u fat while what, another meal will make u lean?
insulin spikes, blah blah...
overeating = fat. undereating = lean.
no matter what u eat, or when, or what macros u mix together or leave out.

https://www.aworkoutroutine.com/low-carb-diet/
 

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carbs dont make u fat. protein dont make u fat. fat? dont make u fat.
excess calories makes u fat.
why do people overthink this. u really think ONE meal is gonna "make" u fat while what, another meal will make u lean?
insulin spikes, blah blah...
overeating = fat. undereating = lean.
no matter what u eat, or when, or what macros u mix together or leave out.

https://www.aworkoutroutine.com/low-carb-diet/

Yes i agree with you for the calories in, Calories out.

But Different Meal Macros affect you Hormonaly.

2 Meals:

1.Eggwhites + Oats

2.5 wholes eggs + Broccoli

Those 2 meals are going to make you feel different 1 hour after eating them. They affect your hormonal system differently.

I know that when i eat Complex carbs + Lean protein without any fat(Like eggwhites) Im starving 2 hours after eating this. I can feel a dip in energy 2 hours after eating this.

If i eat 5 whole eggs + Veggies, i can go like 4-5 hours without feeling hungry, i feel full, I dont feel jittery my mind is clearer...

The 2 meals have the same amount of calories, I feel different from eating them. Their macros structure are different.

One is High carb + Protein

One is High fat Without carbs

Do you see what im trying to say...
 

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This is a legitimate question that I'm sure alot of people want to ask but don't want to for fear they will be dogged on for it.

I don't eat carbs early in the day because I want to keep my blood sugar on the lower side so the body is more likely to use fat for energy and I'm very carb sensitive
The i take in simple carbs during workout and in a shake with only protein directly after to keep insulin up to help shuttle nutrients. The meal after the shake has less carbs and some fat the carbs are there to keep blood sugar up , the fat is there for daily needs and it slows digestion so the carbs are released slower.

If your meals are normally 200 calories from protein (50g) and 180 calories from fat (20g) to 380 total , then adding another 50g carbs is gonna jump the calories way higher (580 cal) .

Now if you cut the protein back to 40g (160 cal) 10g fat (90 cal) 250 calories total you can easily add 30g carbs and bring the total calories to 370. That makes a nice balanced diet in the same calorie range.

The issue comes with meeting you NUTRITION needs.

The idea of calories in VS calories out is bullshit.!!

If you need 3000 calories a day to maintain a body weight and body fat , we know that there are 3500 calories per pound so technically if we reduce the daily calories by 500 per day (down to 2500) that after 7 days will should have lost 1 pound (500 calories x 7 days = 3500 calories)

NOW let's say you got those 2500 Calories from pop tarts. Do you honestly think that after eating 2500 calories a day (in a calorie deficit) that you will lose fat??
Absofuckingluty not.

ok now let's say you ADD 500 calories a day to 3500 calories total but you 3500 calories comes only from baked chicken breast do you think you will have gained any fat even though you are in a calorie surplus??
NOPE , why?? Because the body won't store protein to fat stores even if it's in a surplus , you will just waste it out.
 

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I dont think thats right.

If someone eat: - 10 oz 95% lean ground beef with 2 cup of brocolli. Do you really think it will be stored as fat? High protein/High fat + Veggies(No carbs apart from the carbs in the veggies)

Like Carb + Protein meal = Eggwhites + oatmeal = No fat absortion. Since no fat in the meal.

I'm saying thats the logic some people use when they don't want to have high fat and high carbs in the same meal. There are other reasons why some may want to use those ratios. In general I believe the amount of calories + source (i.e whole vs. processed) will contribute to the most to overall body composition. Timing and ratio of cals being lower on the list.

Edit: maybe I didn't state it clearly from my earlier post. The insulin spike is why some people choose to have a inverse ratio with carbs and fats in meals.
i.e if it's a high carb meal then they'll keep the fat lower and protein can be low to high.

The typical bro cutting diet is usually lean protein + veggies + fats except for maybe the pre or post workout meal which will have some carbs for energy/glycogen replenishment.
 
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The insulin spike is why some people choose to have a inverse ratio with carbs and fats in meals.
i.e if it's a high carb meal then they'll keep the fat lower and protein can be low to high.

This!! It is not rocket science.

If you have a high-fat and high-carbohydrate diet, you're going to get too fat.
 

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I belive the calories in/ out holds alot of truth to it. With protein being the main factor building muscle and holding on to it. Atleast for our purpose as bodybuilders.

When it comes to the carb/ fat combination. Its on a surplus of calories its going to matter the most.

High fat/ high protein. Body will have to work with the fats for longer time. Storing fat, and burning fat for energy, takes longer time for the body. I cant remember the exact mecanismns of it. But you can probably google it.
This will give you a slow and steady energy source, no spikes up and down, and for longer period of time, then you will have to eat again...
No drowsyness or extreme hunger 2h later.. and so on..

On high carbs/ high protein. You will get insulin spikes to store energy. And carbs is much easier to store and to burn as energy for the body. Its in and out much faster. Available energy easier to process for the body. Thats why you get drops in blood glucose levels, feel drowzy, and get that extreme hunger feeling much faster.
Put in some fats to the meal, and you have some energy that can be stored and processed slowly..

High fat/high carbs/high protein, or should we say high protein /medium fat/carbs, the insulin spikes from the carbs will probably help store the fats easier. But still it will take longer time to burn the fats for energy once stored. Meanwhile the carbs are available much easier.

And in a surplus of calories, if your already stored all the carbs your body needs and can store, you will store the extra calories also, fats or carb wont matter as well.
Keeping the fats low, might or might not help you not to store more or less fat. But what will happen to the exess carbs floating around you think? Its available for energy, but if you dont use it?

On a cut, all calories are burned. If your eating right.
Thats why people can cut on high carbs, or high fats. Or even a balanced diet with both.

Dont over eat, dont get fat. Eat healty foods.

I tried maintaining on both keto diet and high carb/low fat diet. Same calories.
Only diffrence is I had alot more water weight and explosive energy on carbs. Looked more full.
But felt like shit, high bloodpressure, gas.
On keto, dry, no water weight, less explosive energy and pumps. Feel great during the day, can go 4-5h without extreme hunger easy. Overall more stable energy levels is probably the biggest diffrence.

But I would never consider trying to bulk on keto. Probably prefer carbs for that.

Just my experience and research..
For what its worth.
 

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Suzanne Somers made a fortune writing some diet books using this technic. Took some bodybuilding bro-science and went main stream with it. Not saying the theory is right or wrong.

Always liked "Chrissy". I remember her and her husband being interviewed on some talk show when he ratted her out for being a porn addict.
 

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this is the same guy "recommending" 40 and over cycles.......

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