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Dorian interview.. keeping it real

Assuming this is Dorian posting, what do you fellas think of this?

https://www.facebook.com/dorian.yates1

Here's what I think:

He is entitled to his beliefs considering there is much conflicting evidence and stories on the Holocaust. YES, there is NO DOUBT that Jews were mistreated in National Socialist dominated Europe. There's NO DOUBT there were pogroms and lynching of Jews by the Germans' Polish, Latvian, Lithuanian, Croatian, Serbian, and Ukrainian helpers. I mean SEVERE mistreatment. Jews in the Soviet Army were singled out, rounded up and shot, and not treated like Russia, Polish and English POW's.

However, it is highly unlikely that that the Germans created ANY death camps. These were internment camps in which Jews, communists (many Jews were communist), criminals, a few token Blacks from the Rhineland, homosexuals, hostile Poles, impressed laborers, and any others deemed hostile to German society were interned. Was it fun? Hells no! But they weren't set up to exterminate people. The real death camps intended to murder people by starvation and over work and torture were in the Soviet Union, such as those in Ostoshkov, Kozelsk, Starobelsk, and Siberia.

Those dead bodies you see ARE real--very real! However, people were not starved to death intentionally and the reason they were starved is because the ALLIES (you know, we Americans), bombed rail lines which made sufficient food delivery into Germany, let alone concentration camps, impossible.

And let us look at both sides of the coin. Yes, the Nazis DID mistreat Jews. But there were Jewish communists who murdered millions of people. Example: Lazar Kaganovic (Ukrainian Jew), Butcher of Ukraine, ordered the man made famine in which seven million Ukrainians starved to death. Example: Genrich Yagoda (Palestinian Russian Jew), supervised the death camps of the Soviet Union.

I can go on and on about the different aspects of the Holocaust and WWII history. There are so many things undiscussed or unrevealed to the mass public that it is only natural that Dorian or anyone else would start disbelieving much of what is said or look at it in a different light.

Our own government lied to us about the Katyn Forest Massacre, in which communists (many of them Jewish) murdered 25,000 Poles, by telling us it was the Germans who committed this atrocity, when in fact it was the Germans who exposed it to the Poles and showed them who committed it: the Reds. Now this fact is accepted by people everywhere after we were lied to for decades about it!

People have the right to look at history as they please, especially WWII.
 
wish i hadnt seen that

Assuming this is Dorian posting, what do you fellas think of this?

https://www.facebook.com/dorian.yates1

just lost a TON of respect for the man. even IF you don't believe the holocaust happened (that's sounds ridiculous but we are all entitled to our own beliefs) you certainly DONT disgard and discredit the MILLIONS of people that were/are affected by the Hitler regime. so disprespectful...

good bb'er and trainer... not so good politician I bet lol
-JS
 
Here's what I think:

He is entitled to his beliefs considering there is much conflicting evidence and stories on the Holocaust. YES, there is NO DOUBT that Jews were mistreated in National Socialist dominated Europe. There's NO DOUBT there were pogroms and lynching of Jews by the Germans' Polish, Latvian, Lithuanian, Croatian, Serbian, and Ukrainian helpers. I mean SEVERE mistreatment. Jews in the Soviet Army were singled out, rounded up and shot, and not treated like Russia, Polish and English POW's.

However, it is highly unlikely that that the Germans created ANY death camps. These were internment camps in which Jews, communists (many Jews were communist), criminals, a few token Blacks from the Rhineland, homosexuals, hostile Poles, impressed laborers, and any others deemed hostile to German society were interned. Was it fun? Hells no! But they weren't set up to exterminate people. The real death camps intended to murder people by starvation and over work and torture were in the Soviet Union, such as those in Ostoshkov, Kozelsk, Starobelsk, and Siberia.

Those dead bodies you see ARE real--very real! However, people were not starved to death intentionally and the reason they were starved is because the ALLIES (you know, we Americans), bombed rail lines which made sufficient food delivery into Germany, let alone concentration camps, impossible.

And let us look at both sides of the coin. Yes, the Nazis DID mistreat Jews. But there were Jewish communists who murdered millions of people. Example: Lazar Kaganovic (Ukrainian Jew), Butcher of Ukraine, ordered the man made famine in which seven million Ukrainians starved to death. Example: Genrich Yagoda (Palestinian Russian Jew), supervised the death camps of the Soviet Union.

I can go on and on about the different aspects of the Holocaust and WWII history. There are so many things undiscussed or unrevealed to the mass public that it is only natural that Dorian or anyone else would start disbelieving much of what is said or look at it in a different light.

Our own government lied to us about the Katyn Forest Massacre, in which communists (many of them Jewish) murdered 25,000 Poles, by telling us it was the Germans who committed this atrocity, when in fact it was the Germans who exposed it to the Poles and showed them who committed it: the Reds. Now this fact is accepted by people everywhere after we were lied to for decades about it!

People have the right to look at history as they please, especially WWII.

Wow some deep seated anti semitism all over this post...which frankly comes down to jealousy and resentment and some way to discredit Jewish success. Not Jewish myself but believe what you want yes no one can stop you from believing whatever makes you happy or feel better about yourself etc...

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just lost a TON of respect for the man. even IF you don't believe the holocaust happened (that's sounds ridiculous but we are all entitled to our own beliefs) you certainly DONT disgard and discredit the MILLIONS of people that were/are affected by the Hitler regime. so disprespectful...

good bb'er and trainer... not so good politician I bet lol
-JS

Totally agree. Have zero repeat for him...

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Wow some deep seated anti semitism all over this post...which frankly comes down to jealousy and resentment and some way to discredit Jewish success. Not Jewish myself but believe what you want yes no one can stop you from believing whatever makes you happy or feel better about yourself etc...

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Please quote any of my statements in which I express jealousy or resentment or anti-Semitism.

I merely said WHAT HAPPENED. If you can disprove what I said, that's fine. If you can prove that people like Lazar Kaganovic didn't exist, that's fine too.

And where did I exactly discredit Jewish success or intelligence? Funny you would say this considering quite few Jewish scholars themselves view WWII broadly and open minded, such as Norman Finkelstein and Israel Shahak; I have Jewish friends; and that several Jews have contributed to Western Civilization.

Did I say Jews are unintelligent or unsuccessful?

And again, please show me where I express anti-Semitism or jealous? You can't, because I didn't and there is no statement in which I said "I am jealous of Jews because..." I explained how OTHERS disliked and treated them!

Your post is also disingenuous because it comes across as if you didn't comprehend or misinterpreted my statements or read them fully considering I stated flat out, SOME WERE MURDERED, INTERNED IN CAMPS, AND MISTREATED UNFAIRLY. Sorry I broke it to to you in politically incorrect terms.
 
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Never met anyone with those thoughts about holocaust that wasn't deep down resentful of jews. Don't expect you or anyone else to necessarily admit their deep seated resentment just like Nazis didn't acknowledge their resentment at Jewish domination in business banking music academics sciences and instead said it was a Jewish conspiracy blah blah. Neo Nazis don't expressly say they hate Jewish success but instead say it's a zionist conspiracy etc. Go on with your silly theories if they make you feel better...done with this post. Silly arguing with random wackos on net. Carry on.

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Never met anyone with those thoughts about holocaust that wasn't deep down resentful of jews. Don't expect you or anyone else to necessarily admit their deep seated resentment just like Nazis didn't acknowledge their resentment at Jewish domination in business banking music academics sciences and instead said it was a Jewish conspiracy blah blah. Neo Nazis don't expressly say they hate Jewish success but instead say it's a zionist conspiracy etc. Go on with your silly theories if they make you feel better...done with this post. Silly arguing with random wackos on net. Carry on.

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Never met anyone with those thoughts about holocaust that wasn't deep down resentful of jews. Don't expect you or anyone else to necessarily admit their deep seated resentment just like Nazis didn't acknowledge their resentment at Jewish domination in business banking music academics sciences and instead said it was a Jewish conspiracy blah blah. Neo Nazis don't expressly say they hate Jewish success but instead say it's a zionist conspiracy etc. Go on with your silly theories if they make you feel better...done with this post. Silly arguing with random wackos on net. Carry on.

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!) Where exactly did I provide a theory? I didn't provide theories.

2) I don't resent any group of people and I have Jewish friends; you know, ones that I'm actually close with, who come over my own home.

3) I am not a neo-Nazi and have absolutely nothing to do with National Socialism.

4) You are literally making shit up which I didn't imply, express, or write.
 
Here's what I think:

He is entitled to his beliefs considering there is much conflicting evidence and stories on the Holocaust. YES, there is NO DOUBT that Jews were mistreated in National Socialist dominated Europe. There's NO DOUBT there were pogroms and lynching of Jews by the Germans' Polish, Latvian, Lithuanian, Croatian, Serbian, and Ukrainian helpers. I mean SEVERE mistreatment. Jews in the Soviet Army were singled out, rounded up and shot, and not treated like Russia, Polish and English POW's.

However, it is highly unlikely that that the Germans created ANY death camps. These were internment camps in which Jews, communists (many Jews were communist), criminals, a few token Blacks from the Rhineland, homosexuals, hostile Poles, impressed laborers, and any others deemed hostile to German society were interned. Was it fun? Hells no! But they weren't set up to exterminate people. The real death camps intended to murder people by starvation and over work and torture were in the Soviet Union, such as those in Ostoshkov, Kozelsk, Starobelsk, and Siberia.

Those dead bodies you see ARE real--very real! However, people were not starved to death intentionally and the reason they were starved is because the ALLIES (you know, we Americans), bombed rail lines which made sufficient food delivery into Germany, let alone concentration camps, impossible.

And let us look at both sides of the coin. Yes, the Nazis DID mistreat Jews. But there were Jewish communists who murdered millions of people. Example: Lazar Kaganovic (Ukrainian Jew), Butcher of Ukraine, ordered the man made famine in which seven million Ukrainians starved to death. Example: Genrich Yagoda (Palestinian Russian Jew), supervised the death camps of the Soviet Union.

I can go on and on about the different aspects of the Holocaust and WWII history. There are so many things undiscussed or unrevealed to the mass public that it is only natural that Dorian or anyone else would start disbelieving much of what is said or look at it in a different light.

Our own government lied to us about the Katyn Forest Massacre, in which communists (many of them Jewish) murdered 25,000 Poles, by telling us it was the Germans who committed this atrocity, when in fact it was the Germans who exposed it to the Poles and showed them who committed it: the Reds. Now this fact is accepted by people everywhere after we were lied to for decades about it!

People have the right to look at history as they please, especially WWII.

He is entitled to his opinion certainly. I'm no expert on WWII, and this isn't the site to expand on these revisionist ideas even if I was.

My point was really that he seems to have lost his mind, even if we disregard this particular post by him. He seems to believe in a lot of kooky stuff. It would be ironic that since he was a Mentzer disciple he would go completely nuts like Mentzer did.

I mean come on...
 

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He is entitled to his opinion certainly. I'm no expert on WWII, and this isn't the site to expand on these revisionist ideas even if I was.

My point was really that he seems to have lost his mind, even if we disregard this particular post by him. He seems to believe in a lot of kooky stuff. It would be ironic that since he was a Mentzer disciple he would go completely nuts like Mentzer did.

I mean come on...

OK, sorry about that tangent then.

Yes, I have seen his posts over the past few years and he seems he has gone batshit crazy.
 

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