Dry, keepable gains? How much is reasonable?

[razerfisherman]

I'm interested is just adding pure muscle. I'd rather get 5 lbs of pure muscle in my cycle that I can keep than bulk 20 lbs of muscle mixed with water and fat that ends up only being 5-10 lbs of real muscle.

If I were to stay at the same body fat percentage the entire cycle, what amount of lean mass could I pack on in a 10-12 week cycle. I'm talking dry muscle, not bloated 'juice muscle?' I'm 6'3" 185 lbs at 8%. I plan to stay between 5-7% the whole time. I'm curious what's really possible considering.

Also, considering this, could I get the same results using a Test cycle with an AI than I would with a Primo/Anavar cycle (something without estrogen sides), or is that not possible. Just wondering because I want dry gains only, and I see that bloated, watery test look all the time at the gym and want to avoid it completely.

Thanks.

vs. 20 lbs. of weight gain (water and fat included in the muscle) and only

 

[kingpin123]

there is no way to tell you how much you can keep, especially since you dont know what you are taking yet...it depends on what you use, and what your pct plan is. for restarting test production clomid and hcg are popular, also there is something new called triptorelin, in a study done it resumed normal testosterone production in 10 days from total suppression. as far as your drug choice...i havent used anavar or primo so idk...test + AI is great. anavar is great for keeping gains as i understand it. primo....never used. cant comment.

 

[triathloncoach]

I tried posting up some photos of myself on Friday.

I was sponsored by Elitropin. (full disclosure). And for the last 2 months I have been on 2ius of Elitropin. HRT. Im 48.And if anything I have lost body fat.

2ius of the Elitropin really helps me hang on to my gains. if you can swing 2ius, that will help a lot.

 

[kingpin123]

also forgot the other part of your message, sorry. yes you can take test and be dry as a bone if you take the right amount of AI. what that is depends on your dosage of test. also it depends on the person. some guys tame 1mg of adex on cycles up to 500mg, i cant. i need letro at that dose.

 

[kinglewy]

also forgot the other part of your message, sorry. yes you can take test and be dry as a bone if you take the right amount of AI. what that is depends on your dosage of test. also it depends on the person. some guys tame 1mg of adex on cycles up to 500mg, i cant. i need letro at that dose.

Currently at 750mg test cyp a week, starting my fourth week. I am getting a nice "bulky" look which I love though I know alot of it is probably water retention. I was taking 12.5 mg of exemastane every day and just last week started taking every couple days, no signs of gyno or anything so I figured I probably wouldn't need it everyday.
Are you saying that if I upped the exemastane, say to 25mg a day, I could lessen the water retention giving a leaner appearence? Does the AI really play that much of a role in retaining water?

 

[kingpin123]

Water retention in test is due to estrogen....no estrogen, no water. I haven't used aromasin so can comment. Aromasin is a nice AI d
Because of raising igf...but I think letro is unmatched in estro suppression....if a higher dose of aromasin can deplete you of water...I'd say go for it. If not...I suggest letro.

 

[TeknoViking]

Your only as big as your dose.