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Duchaine's Theory of post mediated growth

deizel i will be begining this shortly...within the week if all things go as planned. I have a bit of a log i have started with me getting back into training and i will post it there...

Definitely post that up. I'm very interested in this. I know someone who just started something similiar doing 500mg Test Enanthate ED, 100mg Deca ED, 100mg EQ ED. I'd like to know how you plan on going about it. Good luck.
 
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Diesel after seeing a certain thread today and a few others that come to mind...i will not be posting a log. I'd feel reckless at best...

To those that are intrested: If you've been on the board a bit, or its obvious your no noob i can pm updates. If anybodys intrested just shoot me a pm.

Diesel I will keep you updated brother.
 
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Dan Duchaine. I remember writing to him when he was in prison. He was a smart and good guy.
 
Good info

I been thinking about trying this for a long time and feel like I got nothing to lose and do my own experimenting..If it works well I will post my results along with before and after and all info such as diet and dosages.
 
Extremely interesting to see the boundaries being pushed to this magnitude. DD was certainly ahead of the curve.
 
Doesnt work trust me when i tell you that;

Did i think 4grams test, 2gram deca, 100mg dbol 200mg drol and slin.

Your body will get sick, believe me when i tell you that, lethargy overload. Worst experience of my life, hint: Bostin Loyd (only reason he doesnt look like he suffers from it is because his young, try it when your 40 and see what happens).
 
SHBG can be lowered to a big extent also with winstrol or 50mg proviron. Seems to work better on fast acting tests than short acting through, not sure why.

Would adding winstrol tabs help this?
 
Dan Duchaine. I remember writing to him when he was in prison. He was a smart and good guy.

Dan was away ahead of his time. I got to pick his brain, the best I could, with many long phone calls. All Dan's other research has proven to be legit. Most of it. I would do exactly what you guys are doing. Research. If the man said it, it probably has some strong legitimacy.
 
"post-AR" mediated growth is simple and not a myth or a theory but more a mechanic of how hormones work. Testosterone blocks the cortisol receptor a lot like nolvadex blocks the estrogen receptor (not very well though). After you completely saturate all your androgen receptors all the leftover test has nothing to do but stuff like block the cortisol receptor. How much effect does this have? Maybe nothing, maybe a lot, basically Duchaine's "theory" was that the anticatabolic effect was significant.

All hormones have cross receptor activity, some activate it, some just block it. Estrogen can fit into, and activate, the androgen receptor for example, but only a couple percent as well as testosterone. Pretty much everything has cross receptor activity, so it's very possible there is little to nothing in effect from the blocking of the glucocorticoid receptor...

I got to chat with Duchaine extensively about his post-AR theory on misc.fitness.weights back in the 90s...
 
Doesnt work trust me when i tell you that;

Did i think 4grams test, 2gram deca, 100mg dbol 200mg drol and slin.

Your body will get sick, believe me when i tell you that, lethargy overload. Worst experience of my life, hint: Bostin Loyd (only reason he doesnt look like he suffers from it is because his young, try it when your 40 and see what happens).

I would say the d bol and a drol did you in, not a lot of people would be able to handle that. I don't get it, if you are doing over a gram of any thing, why use orals? Or why so much? Real d bol works great at only 10mgs.
 
Wow!

This is all eye opening! I just know we can’t all expect this to work. Only if you have a chance at being a top pro would such a theory be reasonable.
 
Dan Duchaine's Theory of post AR mediated growth



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I am in the process of wrapping up a short 8 week bulker. I've always been interested in Duchaine's Theory of Post AR Mediated Growth and what I understand of it, that I tried it during this cycle. However, I'm not a reckless Duchaine. Much time and energy went into researching every possible aspect of this cycle theory. I am not afraid of being a guinea pig as long as I'm an informed guinea pig. For those of you who don't know, Duchaine's Theory states that at supraphysiological levels of AAS (especially test) another growth pathway opens. This is achieved by reaching levels of 4g-10g of AAS per week. Unfortunately the theory is somewhat incomplete. I say this because even though Duchaine tested this many times, he died before he had a chance to get his entire theory in writing. Information is very hard to find and the biochemistry behind the new pathway can't be found (at least I can't find it). IMO this is not what killed him although after doing it hundreds of times it certainly could have been a factor. I think what ultimately killed Duchaine is the fact that he was the world's best AAS/performance enhancing drug guinea pig. Finally things caught up with him and may he rest in peace.



Anyway, I decided to give this theory a simple test. After gathering all the research I possibly could, studying, talking with other bbers, etc, I began my experiment. My 8 week bulker was run as a standard pyramid with the middle four weeks at supraphysiological levels. I quickly ramped up to the dosages I took and then quickly came back down. I'm currently in week 8 preparing for PCT.



During the middle 4 weeks my dosages were as follows: 2.5g test enan/week, 1g sust/week, 800mg deca/week, 150mg finaprop EOD, and 50mg dbol ED. Approx 4.5-5g of AAS per week.



Results: IMO there is another growth pathway that exists at huge levels of AAS administration. My receptors had to have been supersaturated, yet my gains were incredible. For instance at week 5, I was up 35lbs. On week six I started T3 and will run it through week 9. Right now at week 8 I'm up 45lbs, and I'm continuing to grow albeit slower because of the fat burning of T3 and my down ramp.



Thoughts: I'm 100% positive that there is another growth pathway involved with high AAS administration. The short 4 week "super" cycle was hard on my body but not as hard as I expected it to be. My only side was an increase in my BP top number occasionally, which would not be uncommon under the load I was taking. I will shortly add all my ancies, supps, etc which I know helped keep everything together. I'm trying to get this all down so the bbing community has it. I wish I knew more about the biochemical pathways of the body. I'm certain the new pathway opens due to dose. I wish I could explain how the new pathway works. I wish I could explain what comprises the pathway. In the future, I would not be opposed to running this again with similar AAS (maybe a few changes) for a longer period of time. I'd like to run for 8 consecutive weeks at 6-7g per week with an up ramp and a down ramp. I'd like to run for 16 weeks. However I will not be doing another for quite sometime to let my body readjust. Currently I will still cycle, but not using Duchaine's theory (much lower dosages). I would like to wait at least 9-12 months before attempting this again. I will get blood work done this time every week. I also would like your guys'/gals' help. I need help finding a biochemical engineer or a biomedical engineer, etc who is familiar with AAS that would be interested in tracking progress during my next "super" cycle. I would like to find out and explain this new pathway.



Ancies/Supplements: During my entire cycle here are the ancies, supps, etc I'm taking (I will not include PCT because it will be pretty standard with the addition of cortisol suppression--Cymbalta (duloxetine hcl), Nolva, Femera, Remeron, Clomid, HCG, Proviron, tribus, and ZMA plus reg supps, etc): Femera 1.25mg EOD, Finasteride .5-1mg ED, Inj L-Carnitine 400mg ED, Inj Tripart 100mg ED, Inj B-Complex 38mg ED, Inj Adequan 20mg E7D, T3 25mcg weeks 6-9 with dosages adusted by BBT, Synth Gugglesterones one week (10), Cranberry juice, water, Crystal Light, Gatorade, Powerade, Glucosamine/Chondroitin 1000mg, MSM 1000mg, r-ALA 250mg 2x/day, ALCAR 450mg 2x/day, Green Tea Extract 450mg, ON Whey, Micronized Creatine, Glutamine, Glutamine peptides, Taurine 450mg 2x/day, L-Arginine 450mg 2x/day, Chromium Picolinate 200mcg, Milk Thistle 450mg, Liv-52 250mg 2x/day, Super Omega 3, 6, 9 EFAs 4000IU 2x/day, zinc 50mg 2x/day, multivit, vit c 500mg 2x/day, vit e 400IU, acidolopholous 6mg 2x/day, zanaflex 4-8mg, ultram 150mg, and HCG 250IU 2x per week.



If you have any questions feel free to ask. Also feel free to provide any and all types of feedback, etc. AND if you know of a biochemist, biomedical engineer, etc who would be interested or are a biochemist, biomedical engineer, etc I would be much obliged.





And here are the results:



I had to extend my downramp by four weeks because the body adjustment is just too much. So I ran my last four weeks with just test prop and tren ace.



Please DO NOT try this if you're a newbie or on your fifth cycle, etc, etc. This is my xxx cycle (lost count), and I went in very prepared, and I'm coming out very prepared. A great deal of research and time went into the planning and running of this cycle.



Must add bros that yes, I admit it, I did also run a little Cialis just to see what would happen during my peaks..........Jesus. All I can say is you better have multiple nymphos around at your beck and call because one nympho's (and I don't care how much of a nympho she is) accessible holes are eventually going to get tired. I'm dead serious. Either that or have a fun time punching holes in the wall or beating it to a bloody stump.



Results in total:



Gross weight gain: 45lbs

Net weight gain: 25lbs (this includes a four week T3 cycle within the bulk cycle)



I had the following tests run after PCT. All were normal with the exception of cortisol which was low (exactly where I wanted it).



Here are the tests:

Total Cortisol

DHEA Sulfate

IGF-1

IGFBP-3

Free T3

Free T4

TSH

Total Test

Free Test

Weakly Bound Test

Hemoglobin A1C

Fasting Insulin

CBC

CMP

Lipid Panel

GGT

PSA

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