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Dumb maltodextrin question

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ok for some reason i'm brain farting right now and need something cleared up.....

maltodextrin appears not to be a sugar on nutrional labels.... but it acts like one (high on the GI index) in terms of insulin response by the body, yes??

if this is true, then why do so many supplement companies put it in their products??

BBers dont want high GI foods unless its Pre and Post work out for the most part.... why is it in all the weight gainers ect if its going to make us fat??

does excess MD not get stored as far the same way glucose does?? am i missing something??

i feel dumber than normal right now, so please excuse my ignorance right now :( :eek:
 
Maltodextrin has a high GI (same as glucose), but it is a very complex carb which makes it the last carb to be converted by the body to fat.
SO, if you have all carbs coming from maltodextrin, regardless of the amount of insulin floating around, you will not get as fat as youwould from other carbs, like sucrose, glucose, etc.

Maltodextrin is THE carb to use with insulin shots. It will take care of the hypo (high GI), but it will not make you fat like using glucose with insulin will.
 
ahhhh... very good. ok, that explains a lot.

thank you sir. you're johnny on-the-spot as usual :)
 
Interersting... Im just learning and figuring out the differance in
all of these myself so Dont feel bad pickles...

So is it simmilar to Vitargo? only a differant complex carb source?

so is not the same at all as dextrose? Or the same Only without the sugar
but somehow in a carb form?

I know Ive recently started adding the dextrose to my after protein
shakes and It deffinatley makes them VERY "sweet" tasting....
 
rAJJIN said:
Interersting... Im just learning and figuring out the differance in
all of these myself so Dont feel bad pickles...

So is it simmilar to Vitargo? only a differant complex carb source?

so is not the same at all as dextrose? Or the same Only without the sugar
but somehow in a carb form?

I know Ive recently started adding the dextrose to my after protein
shakes and It deffinatley makes them VERY "sweet" tasting....

Maltodextrin has no taste and no sweetness.
 
Vitargo is different again to maltodextrin, it is anothe sythetic carbohydrate, the advantage of Vitargo is that the studies on it show it preferentially replenishing muscle glycogen at a rapid rate.
This has 2 really good applications - one is obviously post workout, the other is for a rapid carb up. If you have to meet weight class and you have a couple of hours between weigh in and stage then you can use vitargo in a very concentrated solution to rapidly carb up. But you dont risk bloat because it has a very high rate of gastric emptying.
I had someone use it with cranberry powder laced water (natural show) and it worked a treat.

You may find this interesting - thanks to my friend Steve Blades for finding this article.

Importance of consuming a combination of Maltodextrin & Dextrose

After reading Old School’s excellent article on post workout nutrition, the reader is now aware of the importance of consuming easily digested, high Gl carbohydrates at this time. But the question is, why a combination of dextrose and maltodextrin? Both are high in Gl rating, and easily digested right? True, but there is more logic than Gl rating to stacking these two powerhouses. Read on for the answer.

Beginning with the first concept discussed called, “gastric emptying.” Our goal post workout is to maintain a prompt digestion rate so nutrients can transport swiftly and efficiently to our muscles. With that said, it has been shown that this process slows when the ingested fluid contains a high osmolarity concentration (the second concept studied). Osmolarity is dependent on the number of particles in a solution. That is, a100-milliliter solution with 20 glucose molecules will have a higher osmolarity then a100-millileter solution that only contains 10 molecules. The shorter chain length a carbohydrate has, the higher it raises the solution's osmolarity. Therefore, it is no surprise that a pure glucose solution (or dextrose, a monosaccharide) induces very high concentrations of solute (1,3,10).

Fortunately these negative effects become greatly reduced when the drink contains a glucose polymer stacked with dextrose. However, a carbohydrate that is easily digested, and has a high Gl is still desired. Hence, a combination of dextrose and maltodextrin is advised. Osmolarity will be decreased, and glucose will still enter the blood stream at a proficient rate, thus maintaining its anabolic nature (1,3).

A second factor concerning osmolarity must now be examined. From a clinical standpoint, it is vital to take into consideration the fact that plasma (the liquid portion of blood) has an Osmolarity of 300 mOsm. This means that if one were to inject a solution with a greater concentration of solute into their blood, it would cause water from inside their red blood cells to leave by Osmosis (water always travels down its concentration gradient) and move into the plasma, in turn shrinking the erythrocytes (red blood cells). This is because the cells are iso-osmotic to the plasma (both have the same concentration of solute) (11).

A similar concept can be applied to your post workout meal. If a competitor were to consume a solution that was hypertonic or had a higher concentration of solute then 300 mOsm, it could dehydrate them (showing why digestion is rightfully slowed in a high concentrated solution). The addition of maltodextrin once again solves this problem (2,13).

The next question is, why not just use maltodextrin, and eliminate dextrose since it is so proficient? Ah, once again it is not that simple. Shi. X et al. in an outstanding study, tested the digestive effects of two substrates (any substance acted upon by an enzyme) as opposed to only one substrate in the small intestine. What they found was quite fascinating. The solution containing two substrates stimulated the activation of more transport mechanisms in the intestinal lumen, than did its singular counterpart. Therefore, more carbohydrates were transported out of the small intestine (absorbed into the blood), which additionally aided a greater absorption rate of water into the blood stream (by osmosis). Thus, the higher activation rate of transport mechanisms, even with higher osmolarity facilitated faster energy uptake and hydration (12)!

One of these mechanisms is the glucose/Sodium co transport system (discussed in further detail shortly). When a proper amount of sodium and glucose are combined, an even greater amount of glucose is absorbed, and in turn, a higher rate of H20 is absorbed. Thus, dextrose increases fluid uptake, and contributes to blood glucose maintenance. Which in turn helps spare liver and muscle glycogen from being depleted (4,5,6).

As discussed in the Window of Opportunity, these factors make dextrose and maltodextrin the perfect post workout combo. One can purchase both of these in pure form from a local grocery store, or the Internet.


References

1. Beckers, E.J., et al.: Comparison of aspiration and scientific graphic. Techniques for the measurement of gastric emptying rates in man

Gut, 33:115,1992.

2. Brouns, F., and Beckers, E.: Is the gut an athletic organ? Sports.Med., 15:242, 1993.

3. Duchman, S.M., et al. Upper limit for intestinal absorption of a dilute glucose solution in men at rest. Med. Sci. Sports Exercise 29: 482,1997.

4. Gisolfi, C.V., et al.: Intestinal water absorption from select carbohydrate solutions in humans. /. Appl. Physiol., 7:2142, 1992.

5. Hargreaves, M., et al.: Influence of sodium on glucose bio avail ability during exercise. Med. Sci. Sports Exerc., 26:365,1994.

6. Massicotte, D., et al.: Lack of effect of Nad and/or metoclopramide on exogenous ('^Cj-glucose oxidation during exercise. Int. J. Sports Med., 17:165, 1996.

10. Schedl, H.P., et al. Intestinal absorption during rest and exercise: implications for formulating an oral re-hydration solution (ORS).

Med. Sci. Sports Exerc., 26:267, 1994.

11. Seiple, R.S., et al.: Gastric-emptying characteristics of two glucose polymer-electrolyte solutions. Med. Sci. Sports Exerc., 15:366,

1983.

12. Shi, X., et al.: Effects of carbohydrate type and concentration and solution osmolality on water absorption. Med.Sci. Sports Exerc.,

27:1607.1995.

13. Vist, G.E., and Maughan, R.J.: Gastric emptying of ingested solutions in man: effect of beverage glucose concentration. Med. Sci.

Sports Exerc., 26:1269, 1994
 
Big A said:
Maltodextrin has a high GI (same as glucose), but it is a very complex carb which makes it the last carb to be converted by the body to fat.
SO, if you have all carbs coming from maltodextrin, regardless of the amount of insulin floating around, you will not get as fat as youwould from other carbs, like sucrose, glucose, etc.

Maltodextrin is THE carb to use with insulin shots. It will take care of the hypo (high GI), but it will not make you fat like using glucose with insulin will.

Maltodextrin (aka "glucose polymers") is merely weakly-bonded glucose molecules. Technically it is a complex carbohydrate, but the weak bonds are easily broken when digested, hence the high GI. Maltodextrin is essentially the same as eating pure glucose minus the sweetness. I don't see how it is any less likely to make you fat than other simple sugars in that regard...?
 

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